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Monroe Street: A viable alternative for BRT?
« on: June 08, 2007, 12:00:00 AM »
Monroe Street: A viable alternative for BRT?

JTA claims that they are planning a BRT system to respond to downtown's traffic needs in 2030, not today.  Here's an open and shut case to why Monroe Street is a superior alternative to anything JTA has considered so far for their BRT system.

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 08:23:30 AM »
It is so easy to see how this makes so much more sense.


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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2007, 09:09:43 AM »
well done!


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What's planned along Adams?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 09:49:35 AM »
Since JTA believes in planning for the future, the preservation of existing parallel parking stalls along Adams, is a must, as well as pulling up the rush hour signs the currently eliminate the use of half of them 7-9am and 4-6pm on weekdays.

Here's an example of some of the things currently planned or under construction along Adams, between Ocean and Julia Streets (4 blocks - "purple area on map"):

218 West Adams Lofts (old Exchange Building)

Introducing 218 W. Adams Lofts. It's an urbanite's dream come true. The style and versatility of a modern loft combined with the ambiance of an historic building, situated Downtown in the center of it all!

The addition of 30 lofts and street retail into a space that's been vacant for quite a while.

20 West (old Lerner Shops Building)

Kimmik Corp. is working on a $6.7 million renovation of this former Lerner Shops building. Originally built in 1911, the building is being renovated into lofts, office and retail space. Approximately 20 lofts are anticipated, with monthly rentals expected to range from $1,000 to $3,000. The project has received approval from the Design Review Committee to modify its plans and not include the proposed 7th story addition to the building. Construction is again underway on the project, located on Adams St.

Project will include 20 loft apartments and a Loop Restaurant at street level.

Laura Trio (Florida Life, Bisbee and Marble Bank Buildings)

The Police and Fire Pension Fund has sold these three historic Downtown structures to Kuhn Development. Kuhn Companies plans to renovate the Laura Trio into office condominiums and retail space. The group also plans to construct a parking garage on the vacant lot adjacent to the buildings at the corner of Laura and Adams streets. Construction is expected to begin in summer 2007.

Project also includes the construction of a 10 story, 600 space garage structure with 12,000sf of retail space to serve the tenants of the Laura Trio and One 12.

One12 (former Barnett Bank Building)

Formerly the Barnett Bank building, this building is being renovated by Kuhn Development as a mixed use project to reflect the renaissance of Downtown Jacksonville. The developer anticipates a mix of 105 residential units and first floor retail uses. The project includes 13 floor plans ranging from 500 to 2,300 s.f. Construction is expected to be complete in mid-2007.

105 loft condos and 12,000sf of street retail.

122 Ocean (former Haydon Burns Library)

Main Branch, LLC is scheduled to close on the former Haydon Burns Library in April. The group plans a mixed use development for the building, including an urban scale market, restaurants, retail and office space. Construction is expected to begin in spring 2007. The group plans to renovate the existing building before beginning a rooftop addition.

Project will have up to 144,000sf in office and retail space, as well as possibly 90 condos.  Retail uses include an urban grocery market, restaurants, a theater and bars.

Adams of the future

This image was provided to the media by the developers of 122 Ocean.  The addition of these developments, along with 11 East, Carling and Knight Lofts, completely changes the 4 block landscape we see today into an urban mixed-used residential community.  

With the number of shops that can possibly set up at street level to serve the dense population, the need for parallel parking along Adams will drastically increase.  Instead of accomodating this "real" growth pattern, by preserving as many on-street spaces as possible, JTA hopes to remove over half of what's available now, for bus lanes.  

Imagine that scene of outdoor cafes and activity, provided in 122 Ocean's rendering, with JTA buses moving at 35 miles an hour, every 1.5 minutes, immediately next to that sidewalk.  Is that what we really want for our downtown's main residential loft district?
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JTA's positioning
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 01:03:26 PM »
This city is quite averse to walking, but a 5-7 minute stroll from Monroe to the Modis Building isn't all that much.  It's like 1/3 of a mile at the very most?

Is there anything else that is keeping JTA wedded to Bay or Adams? Perhaps some stubborness setting in?  I suppose if had plans, developed over several months, that were critiqued by an outsider, a natural tendency would be to dig in to one's position regardless of the validity of the counterpoint.

Is it just the walking distance that is the issue?  Or is there something else that we're missing?  Maybe something to do with future plans or growing space needed for the site of the courthouse?


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controlling the debate?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2007, 03:00:56 PM »
Has JTA successfully taken charge and controlled the "should BRT exist debate?" by supplanting that question with "which street should we use?"   ???


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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 10:52:43 PM »
BRT numbers are false and JTA knows it. Only the highway and big oil lobby buy into the "bus is better" argument. The hold up numbers in Curitiba, Brazil and Bogota, Colombia, as stellar examples of BRT success. Tell them to call us when OUR OWN poverty rate hits 50% and our population hits 5 million, because THAT is why BRT works in those places. I just recieved a call today from Medellin, telling me the impressive Bellen extension in Bogota, has stumbled badly... Having been in both places, I'd say Colombian City has more cars, and better roads. But if only the very rich can afford an automobile, of course BRT, or even a horse and buggy would work. PLEASE, PLEASE, let ME take the JTA officials down to Bogota, to demonstrate the greatness of the BRT. These fools need to realize we are not in Latin America. Their numbers are also suspect, I have learned that new start BRT is cheaper because they are using LRT numbers from Newark, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and St. Louis light rail systems. Those are Light Rail in SUBWAY construction... expensive..well duh??? JTA lets see you stack Eugene, Oregons, brand new BRT, only partly opened aginst Albuquerque or Portland's brand new, only partly opened MODERN STREETCAR...
Guys, THEY WON'T DO IT! WHY? Because "Modern Streetcar" a light form of LRT will rip them a new one, AND THEY KNOW IT! Maybe THAT'S why they didn't invite me to their seceret planning meeting.


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Kimmik Corp. former Lerner Bldg. update
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2007, 09:09:06 PM »
Kimmik Corp. renovation of the former Lerner Shops building on West Adams Street will not house the Loops Restaurant; currently Kimmik has not landed a tenant.  That Loops deal has been dead for some time.   I understand that because there will not be the 7th floor addition, the project will no longer allow for 20 lofts, but rather 12 to 14 apartments are anticipated at this date.  JEDC has notified Kimmik Corp. to complete the project by October.  hugs,shug