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Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« on: August 08, 2008, 05:00:00 AM »
Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls



Metro Jacksonville has asked the Florida Department of Transportation to look into updating the signage on I-95 North into Downtown Jacksonville. FDOT is willing to make the updates but needs concurrence from the City of Jacksonville to move forward.

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 08:00:46 AM »
and you wonder why things move at a snails pace Downtown......

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 08:23:10 AM »
Is somebody asleep at the wheel or is there even a wheel?

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 08:25:56 AM »
Is somebody asleep at the wheel or is there even a wheel?
"Yes."   :D
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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 08:41:32 AM »
Well, I see the immediate problem with this scenario.  You've got one guy sending in a letter to one guy to ask to have signage revised and clarified for travelers.  This simple request ends up involving 7 different people all asking the other to make a decision or even to get a hold of yet another person in yet another department to offer input on SIGNAGE!  It's insane.  People think we live in a democratic society.  Unfortunately the reality is we live in a bureaucratic society with everyone asleep at the wheel that's not there.  But, I forget, this is Jacksonville.  No one wants to talk about the great big elephant in the middle of the room that is the gross inefficiency of our city government.

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 08:58:09 AM »
This experience with JEDC is consistent with the experience I and others have had with them in the past. Issues re: Downtown DRI are not important unless they are tied to Miles/Hallmark project in Brooklyn, Kings Ave TOD, Bay Street Station or any other large development project. The basics like signage, lighting, core transit, social services are topics that are too difficult to address, so they get pushed around until they are lost in the bureaucracy.

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 09:00:41 AM »
The state guys are very responsive, which is surprising.  What is not surprising is that Ron Barton is not.  The guy has done literally nothing worthy of mention during his tenure.  (Cecil, Brooklyn?)  If it is not on his agenda, its not worth his time.  This is the Gateway to Downtown from I95N and look at his response!

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 09:24:10 AM »
Interesting chain of emails and timeline.  This one is not rocket science.  Hopefully, the JEDC has correctly answered the FDOT's question by now.
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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 08:26:08 PM »
And some people want the government to run the health care system.  :D

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 08:52:20 PM »
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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 08:53:47 PM »
Is somebody asleep at the wheel or is there even a wheel?

It's a pulpit  not a wheel.
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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 12:31:36 AM »
I always wondered about those signs too....  Why sign something "Main St." when you end up on Ocean St?

And why, when all of Duval County is "Jacksonville" do all the local signs pointing at Downtown say "Jacksonville".  They should say "Downtown" or "Downtown Jacksonville".

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 02:43:16 PM »
I send them an email about 2 months ago about the same issue! ::)

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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 04:46:22 PM »
During the las real estate boom downtown seemed to make some progress.  This is the type of thing you do to improve Downtown (and just traveling in this city) on the cheap. Taking care of lights and signage now will help prepare Downtown to take advantage of better days in the economy.

What can we do to light a fire under the COJ.
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Re: Metro Jacksonville pushes FDOT for signage, COJ Stalls
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 10:47:35 PM »
Related downtown signage question - why are the illuminated purple signs allowed to fade to unreadability?  Is this JEDC? DVI? City? State?