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Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« on: July 29, 2008, 05:00:00 AM »
Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!



While we continue to fiddle with Bus Rapid Transit and endless studies to appease the federal government, Birmingham, Alabama is moving forward with a plan that will add them to a growing list of cities with active rail transit within the past 18 to 24 months.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 07:20:18 AM »
I believe that Jacksonville will do something about this. It's only a matter of time. 8)

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 08:28:44 AM »
What's the obvious point of this story???? A MAYOR who wanted it and pushed for it!!!! something we do not have here in Jacksonville.  We need a mayor or councilpeople who will say build it and will not take no for an answer!!

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 08:29:54 AM »
Maybe our city leadership should take a fact finding mission to Birmingham or form a task force to look into it.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 08:39:40 AM »
What's the obvious point of this story???? A MAYOR who wanted it and pushed for it!!!! something we do not have here in Jacksonville.  We need a mayor or councilpeople who will say build it and will not take no for an answer!!

I think you hit the jackpot.  A leader, in this case, the Mayor, came into office and pushed for it.  It would be great if our Mayor's office would take a similar position, but we should also not be willing to wait it out on Peyton.  There's room for others to step up as well.
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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 08:48:07 AM »
Its great to hear about a mayor who knows what needs to be done and gets it done.  City development doesn't have to take 10 years to create.  Mass transit doesn't have to be studied and then studied again and then put off to the side before we pick it back up.  Set an ambitious timeline and get it done.  I think Peyton has given up, but we shouldn't allow him to stop doing his job.  I think its time for the people to demand more.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 09:32:27 AM »
As long as we keep electing and re-electing the same Jacksonville breeding stock of good-old-boys, we are going no where. We need fresh faces, fresh ideas and a will to stand behind them.  When I first posted this on the Jacksonville Transit blogspot, I had a sinking feeling. Sad.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 09:57:58 AM »
I believe the next mayoral election isn't until 2011.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I'm a newbie to this city and am wondering...what can I do between now and then?  I'm used to grassroots campaigns and recalls (I'm from WI), and it doesn't seem like the citizens of Jacksonville are up for that.  It's obvious to me that a lot of people on this website care, but does the average citizen care about their city?  I'm just trying to get a feel for how involved Jacksonville residents are in their own local political scene.

Or should I just stop caring and go into hibernation for the next three years?

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 10:00:01 AM »
Who are the people in Jacksonville that could fill this leadership vacuum?  What are the names of the persons that have distinguished themselves.  Three that come to mind are Mike Langton, Tony Allegretti, and Kevin Gay.  Karen Brune Mathis maybe?  I don't remember her name, but their was a woman that lead the 'house the homeless' effort that seemed to have it together on that issue.  She quit that position once she saw the city wasn't interested in REAL solutions, just window-dressing.

Glorious Johnson and Clay Yarbrough have stood out on city council in a positive way. Are their others I am missing?       


One thing I think needs to enter the consciousness of the collective city, is that highly desireable cities are seldom if ever built 'on the cheap'.  You can't expect mega-low taxes and top-notch quality of life too.  I don't advocate throwing money at problems, or ignoring costs, but nothing is free in this world.       
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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 10:10:07 AM »
Sadly, Dan Davis is the heir apparent. Having a suburban developer as Jacksonvilles next mayor would be another very bad step.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 10:20:18 AM »
DAN DAVIS? Well, we've just given the other side some powerful ammunition.

"Dan Davis, another developer...
...another 4 years of self serving
do nothing administration in Jacksonville...
....No Skyway Improvements, no Commuter Rail,
No Streetcars...NOTHING...
...VOTE FOR SWEEPING CHANGE...
Lets kick the good old boys out!"

Well, it does have a ring to it!

But of course, Dan could wake up and speak with us and perhaps get on the program.


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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 10:38:57 AM »
One thing I think needs to enter the consciousness of the collective city, is that highly desireable cities are seldom if ever built 'on the cheap'.  You can't expect mega-low taxes and top-notch quality of life too.  I don't advocate throwing money at problems, or ignoring costs, but nothing is free in this world.       

The funny thing is we're sitting on a ton of resources that can be used at our disposal. 

1. 5 miles of already city owned rail right-of-way through the densest neighborhoods in the city.  If track is relayed on the S-Line, it could also give FEC direct access to the Tallyrand port terminal and stimulate new industrial activity along its borders (stronger tax base, new jobs in blighted areas of town, less trucks on the streets and a dedicated source of income for annual O&M costs)

2. $100 million in cash set aside for rapid transit ROW purchase. There's few cities that have this laying around.  Birmingham starter streetcar line = $33 million, Austin starter commuter rail line = $123 million, Nashville starter commuter rail line = $41 million. We could do something worthwhile right now with that $100 million instead of blowing it on BRT.

3. A CSX port deal to relocate port terminal traffic from the inner city core, thus freeing up rail capacity from Springfield all the way up to north of Dunn Avenue.

4. An Orlando commuter rail deal that relocates CSX rail traffic from the A-Line.  Spend the $100 million on purchasing the CSX A between Downtown and Orange Park and you have your starter line already in place.

5. Developers are beginning to beg for it.  You want a starter streetcar line in downtown?  The developers of Bay Station do to.  How hard would it be to get a starter up and running if destinations like Bay Street Station, Shands Jacksonville, Hyatt, Sleimen/Landing, etc. payed for the construction of stations at their sites, considering it would increase the value of the real estate holdings in return?

I could go on and on, but the idea is clear.  We don't need new taxes to get off the bench and into the game.  We just need to study the playbook and stop closing our eyes when its time to make contact with the ball.
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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 11:08:55 AM »
Birmingham has serious (albeit unrealistic) aspirations to host the 2020 Olympic Games. That's real can-do attitude that's missing in Jax's front office.

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1214036114220520.xml&coll=2
http://www.theplainsman.com/front/2008/jul-10/olympics_affect_auburn_and_birmingham

I like the "Why not Birmingham?" question. Seriously, "why not?"

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 11:18:24 AM »
What's Peyton been up to lately? I haven't seen much on his vision for Jacksonville. In fact, I think the last thing we heard of a vision it was called the Big Idea and it went down in flames due to stupidity.

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Re: Jacksonville's leaders outdone again!
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 11:27:02 AM »
The big idea, is for the mayor to read books to pre-schoolers, under the trees, next to the ruins of the Friendship Fountain, and next door to a fish camp where the Brewing Company now sits... BIG IDEA, HUGE!

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