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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2017, 05:45:58 PM »
Jesus was made up* and if you live your life by that rubbish, it says a lot about your gullibility.


*A guy named Jesus might've lived, but no way was he the son of god.

I have gone from being sure his divinity was definitely true to having no idea, one way or the other.  What I do know is this: what a great role model he is to live by.  Love your neighbor.  Feed the poor.  Shelter the needy.  Don't judge.  If we all simply did that, how much better would Earth be?  Sadly, "greed is good" took over and it ain't going away.

I don't disagree. I just hate it when people act as if the words of Jesus have some authority. I have no objection to people having religious beliefs - I just think they should keep them to themselves. Unfortunately, they are all too often used as a rod to beat others with. And the people who seem to object the most to the (usually perceived) actions of Muslims are the people doing basically the same thing.

LOL. This is a thread about the Church and Christianity. If there were ever a time to bring Jesus into a conversation, this one makes sense. You might want to turn your hatred down a little bit. Hate is never a good look.

I don't hate anyone. But I do think religion is stupid and people who waste their lives on some made up bullshit and quote scripture are idiots.

That sure sounds like some hatred of religion to me.  ???  Calling things bullshit and people being idiots or stupid, may border on that...

Maybe you don't understand what "hatred" means?

Merriam-Webster defines it as:

"1:  extreme dislike or disgust
 2:  ill will or resentment"

Would you say you extremely dislike religion? Maybe even some ill will towards religion?

I think the key word there is "extreme" and I'd say I don't have an "extreme" dislike of religion. My dislike is not intense enough to qualify as hatred. Anyway, there's "hate" as in "I hate anchovies on my pizza" and then there's "hate" as in "I hate black people". The word "hate" has different connotations, depending on how it is being used. When you're talking about people, then it's the second kind of hate and that kind of hate is far more severe than the way the word is used in the first example. And I don't hate anyone.

Thinking something is stupid and a massive waste of time is not hatred. I may be sanctimonious or judgmental, but I wouldn't say I'm hateful.

I also think people who believe in ghosts and psychics are dumb.

Sounds good. I was just kind of giving you a hard time on the last one. Cheers!

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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2017, 01:27:10 PM »
News like this doesn't help....

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Pastor Caught in Bed With Parishioner's Wife Won't Resign Because God Has Already Forgiven Him

A Tallahassee, Florida, pastor who was forced to flee naked after he was caught having an affair with a parishioner's wife says he will not step down from his position because God has already forgiven him and his wife is standing by him.

Just days after the Rev. O. Jermaine Simmons Sr., pastor of the popular Jacob Chapel Baptist Church was caught sleeping with his parishioner, he was recorded telling his very supportive church that it is better for the church if he remains committed to God's work in the pulpit.

"What I want from God I've already received it and that's his forgiveness. What I am asking of our members is something I may or may not get and that is your prayers. And I'm asking for your forgiveness," Simmons said as his congregation said "amen" and gave him a standing ovation.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-caught-in-bed-with-parishioners-wife-wont-resign-because-god-has-already-forgiven-him-173638/#SGZrVL8zbyHKqKft.99
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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2017, 08:27:38 AM »
Christianity evolves along with many systems, professions, governments, and organizations.  Unless maintained to optimization of purpose by strong leadership -- these entities, after having emerged from genuine needs and profound integrity by enlightened and sincere individuals … often descend to various levels of exploitation and corruption when infiltrated by enough individuals shaped by ignorance, stupidity, and greed … qualities encouraged by the habits of a descending society ... led by a clueless and bought media … allowed by a government increasingly shaped to plutocratic and kleptocratic realities by an increasing population of mental mediocrities.

What of the profession of law … the system of justice ... ?  Within the profession of law are many profoundly intelligent individuals … dedicated to fairness and justice to all they encounter.  But there are others within who, by their tendency to greed, and their ignorance of the human condition, destroy justice and financially rape all those they encounter.  We must have more of the former, as the latter only holds our local economy to mediocrity, and the minds of the vulnerable to fear and inaction as these vultures maneuver via lies and corruption to take all that is possible either directly from vulnerable hard working individuals, or through the insurance companies via higher premiums. 

I must get to work, but if time and the state of mind allows, I would like to further engage the dynamics of these entities … especially Christianity, lawyers …and the justice system in general. 

Onward … to truth … justice … and the destruction ignorance.  :)

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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 09:35:57 AM »
News like this doesn't help....

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Pastor Caught in Bed With Parishioner's Wife Won't Resign Because God Has Already Forgiven Him

A Tallahassee, Florida, pastor who was forced to flee naked after he was caught having an affair with a parishioner's wife says he will not step down from his position because God has already forgiven him and his wife is standing by him.

Just days after the Rev. O. Jermaine Simmons Sr., pastor of the popular Jacob Chapel Baptist Church was caught sleeping with his parishioner, he was recorded telling his very supportive church that it is better for the church if he remains committed to God's work in the pulpit.

"What I want from God I've already received it and that's his forgiveness. What I am asking of our members is something I may or may not get and that is your prayers. And I'm asking for your forgiveness," Simmons said as his congregation said "amen" and gave him a standing ovation.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-caught-in-bed-with-parishioners-wife-wont-resign-because-god-has-already-forgiven-him-173638/#SGZrVL8zbyHKqKft.99
It's stuff like this that make me wonder if all religions were created as a backup plan in case we got caught doing something society deemed wrong.  If accountable only to an unknowable entity, that's authorization to do anything and get away with it.

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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2017, 08:19:00 PM »
While the gospels instruct followers of Christ to help the poor, oppressed, maligned, mistreated, sick, and those most in need of help, Christians in America have largely supported measures that have rejected refugees, refused aid to immigrants, cut social services to the poor, diminished help for the sick, fueled xenophobia, reinforced misogyny, ignored racism, stoked hatred, reinforced corruption, and largely increased inequality, prejudice, and fear.

The election of President Donald Trump has proven that numerous Christians are more worried about power, influence, and control than the gospel messages of humility, generosity, ministering to others, and love.

Of course there are exceptions, but it should be sobering for Christians to realize that that many who claim to follow the Prince of Peace, the Healer, the Light of the World, supported policies that are bringing darkness and pain to so many people.

https://sojo.net/articles/american-christianity-has-failed

The problem is that the government has usurped the role of the church. Instead of voluntary contributions to the church, the government essentially takes your money before you can even touch it. The Salvation Army could do much more good with 1/10 the money that the government spends. Why? Because they are used to doing that. Also, if someone is just looking for a handout because they are lazy and unwilling to pitch in, they won't be around.

That said, to be truthful, the followers of Christ were first told to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world. Good deeds would follow, but that was not the PRIMARY role they were called too.


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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2017, 08:21:35 PM »
Jesus taught us to not be an ass to each other.  Live by that and all is good.  You don't need a religion, a church, etc...just don't be an ass.

Christ did not come to earth as a man to teach that. Christ was God and therefore was inherently a religion. The Holy Bible knows nothing of a solitary religion.

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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2017, 07:44:40 AM »
While the gospels instruct followers of Christ to help the poor, oppressed, maligned, mistreated, sick, and those most in need of help, Christians in America have largely supported measures that have rejected refugees, refused aid to immigrants, cut social services to the poor, diminished help for the sick, fueled xenophobia, reinforced misogyny, ignored racism, stoked hatred, reinforced corruption, and largely increased inequality, prejudice, and fear.

The election of President Donald Trump has proven that numerous Christians are more worried about power, influence, and control than the gospel messages of humility, generosity, ministering to others, and love.

Of course there are exceptions, but it should be sobering for Christians to realize that that many who claim to follow the Prince of Peace, the Healer, the Light of the World, supported policies that are bringing darkness and pain to so many people.

https://sojo.net/articles/american-christianity-has-failed

The problem is that the government has usurped the role of the church. Instead of voluntary contributions to the church, the government essentially takes your money before you can even touch it. The Salvation Army could do much more good with 1/10 the money that the government spends. Why? Because they are used to doing that. Also, if someone is just looking for a handout because they are lazy and unwilling to pitch in, they won't be around.

That said, to be truthful, the followers of Christ were first told to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world. Good deeds would follow, but that was not the PRIMARY role they were called too.

Wrong. The problem is 95% of all Christians became greedy, self-centered people who lack all empathy for others, as reflected by your "handouts" bullshit.  Jesus didn't say, help all those less fortunate, so long as you deem them sufficiently worthy.  This is why I gave up on Christianity.  Its followers are hypocrites who, if Jesus actually existed, would be going straight to hell.  They're more worried about who uses what bathroom than they are people being exploited and suffering.

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Re: American 'Christianity' Has Failed
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2017, 08:22:01 AM »
Jesus taught us to not be an ass to each other.  Live by that and all is good.  You don't need a religion, a church, etc...just don't be an ass.

Christ did not come to earth as a man to teach that. Christ was God and therefore was inherently a religion. The Holy Bible knows nothing of a solitary religion.

"Christ" (if he even existed) was a charlatan and likely the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier or someone else - someone other than "God".
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