Author Topic: Are you f*^%ing kidding me - Jacksonville Suns change name to Jumbo Shrimp  (Read 28892 times)

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I wonder what sort of attendance is needed for a MLB team to be sustainable? I think if the Shrimp were and MLB team they would see at least a 25% bump in attendance average.

My guess is that you'd see a higher bump than that if the Shrimp were MLB.....but realistically we're probably a quarter (at minimum) of what it takes to sustain a MLB franchise. Remember, the 6,900 number was for their home opener on a beautiful Wednesday night. Realistically, a MLB team should draw at least 35k for their home opener (Which the Miami Marlins game was not)

Here's a reference: http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2017

Don't use 2018 because the season is too young (plus some of the played game have been below 40 degrees....not exactly going to fill the park).

You really need to average 25k a game to make it work. Now, that's an average....you might get away with some 15-20k games on Tuesday evenings, but you have to then make up with it by having some 30-40k games on the weekends. Anything below that is really not long term sustainable.

Miami has two things going against them:

 - Miami's new owner (Derek Jeter) gutted the team (think Hunter Harrison at CSX-style). The team wasn't even close to profitable. It was an interesting strategy because though he dumped payroll and will save expenses, no one wants to see this awful team.
 - Miami previously reported tickets distributed. They now report tickets sold. This will inherently make attendance look lower. Many of the 20k a game the got last year were either free tickets or people that came dressed as Empty Seats.

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I wonder what sort of attendance is needed for a MLB team to be sustainable? I think if the Shrimp were and MLB team they would see at least a 25% bump in attendance average.

Even if they averaged 25 thou a night, had healthy season ticket sales, and sold out pricey PSLs in a renovated Baseball
Grounds the city entirely paid for it would be nearly impossible to have a MLB team in Jax (at least a compettitive one) without one of the current Florida MLB teams folding or moving.

That's because they need to have the backing of one of the regional sports cable networks. The problem is what bargaining power to get a sweetheart deal on Fox Sports Florida or Sun Sports would be harmed by the fact that airing a new Jacksonville team's games would take away from money and viewership of the team that channel is already airing in North Florida. And since both networks are owned by the same company forget any possibility of a meaningful bidding war between them to get the rights to your new team. And then theirs the rise of cord-cutters cutting into your potential revenues.

And what's not going down, the cost of star free agents. Bryce Harper will possibly be getting upwards of $400 million dollars next season and no amount of ticket and merch sales or even a year round entertainment district owned by the team which they city would have to pony up much of the money for could cover costs like that and field a competitive pro team.

Double A baseball will be fine. It's been here for over 50 years now.

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Statistically, Jacksonville already overachieves as a city with one major professional sports franchise.

We'd need roughly two million more citizens, plus a ~40% boost in median household income, to sustainably add an NBA, NHL, or MLB team.
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Statistically, Jacksonville already overachieves as a city with one major professional sports franchise.

We'd need roughly two million more citizens, plus a ~40% boost in median household income, to sustainably add an NBA, NHL, or MLB team.

Not to mention, it's an awful lot easier to fill 75,000 seats eight times a year than it is to fill 30,000 seats 81 times a year.

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5,300 in attendance at last night's Marlins game....
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^Marlins to London, confirmed.
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^Marlins to London, confirmed.

LOL. Britons don't care for baseball. They think it's a women's game.
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^Marlins to London, confirmed.

LOL. Britons don't care for baseball. They think it's a women's game.

Yes, they much prefer manly sport, like bus-stoning and the like!

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^Marlins to London, confirmed.

LOL. Britons don't care for baseball. They think it's a women's game.

Yes, they much prefer manly sport, like bus-stoning and the like!

Well, there is an actual sport called "rounders" which is primarily played by women (girls, mainly) and is basically baseball (with some minor differences).
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I wonder what sort of attendance is needed for a MLB team to be sustainable? I think if the Shrimp were and MLB team they would see at least a 25% bump in attendance average.

Even if they averaged 25 thou a night, had healthy season ticket sales, and sold out pricey PSLs in a renovated Baseball
Grounds the city entirely paid for it would be nearly impossible to have a MLB team in Jax (at least a compettitive one) without one of the current Florida MLB teams folding or moving.

That's because they need to have the backing of one of the regional sports cable networks. The problem is what bargaining power to get a sweetheart deal on Fox Sports Florida or Sun Sports would be harmed by the fact that airing a new Jacksonville team's games would take away from money and viewership of the team that channel is already airing in North Florida. And since both networks are owned by the same company forget any possibility of a meaningful bidding war between them to get the rights to your new team. And then theirs the rise of cord-cutters cutting into your potential revenues.

And what's not going down, the cost of star free agents. Bryce Harper will possibly be getting upwards of $400 million dollars next season and no amount of ticket and merch sales or even a year round entertainment district owned by the team which they city would have to pony up much of the money for could cover costs like that and field a competitive pro team.

Double A baseball will be fine. It's been here for over 50 years now.

Right on all fronts, but just because your franchise can't afford Bryce Harper doesn't mean you aren't viable. When he hits the free agent market next year there will only be, maybe, four teams who can afford him.

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I wonder what sort of attendance is needed for a MLB team to be sustainable? I think if the Shrimp were and MLB team they would see at least a 25% bump in attendance average.

Even if they averaged 25 thou a night, had healthy season ticket sales, and sold out pricey PSLs in a renovated Baseball
Grounds the city entirely paid for it would be nearly impossible to have a MLB team in Jax (at least a compettitive one) without one of the current Florida MLB teams folding or moving.

That's because they need to have the backing of one of the regional sports cable networks. The problem is what bargaining power to get a sweetheart deal on Fox Sports Florida or Sun Sports would be harmed by the fact that airing a new Jacksonville team's games would take away from money and viewership of the team that channel is already airing in North Florida. And since both networks are owned by the same company forget any possibility of a meaningful bidding war between them to get the rights to your new team. And then theirs the rise of cord-cutters cutting into your potential revenues.

And what's not going down, the cost of star free agents. Bryce Harper will possibly be getting upwards of $400 million dollars next season and no amount of ticket and merch sales or even a year round entertainment district owned by the team which they city would have to pony up much of the money for could cover costs like that and field a competitive pro team.

Double A baseball will be fine. It's been here for over 50 years now.

The TV thing is hugely important in Pro Sports today. It’s one of the reasons that Jacksonville is blessed to have their one Major League team be football, where the TV deal is negotiated and held by the league itself. While the other sports have a deal for say, a national Sunday Night game, the primary TV deal is held by the team itself. Big Market teams have their own networks (Yankees have YES, Mets have SNY), where the smaller market teams (Royals) cobble together what they can.

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An MLB team is considered failing if they average less than 18-20k per game.  Our stadium holds 11k so we would definitely need a new one to make that possible.  I don't think Jax could sustain a MLB team with downtown the way it currently is.  We need many more people living downtown and many more Corporate entities downtown to make it feasible.  Its not nearly as hard to get 60k fans to 7 home football games as it is to get 25k fans to 81 home baseball games.

AND, part of the draw of the Jumbo Shrimp is its good, clean, cheap fun.  If they were an MLB team all that would go away to make way for $10 beers.  I would rather have the Jumbo Shrimp than the Marlins any day. 

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