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DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« on: May 30, 2016, 03:00:05 AM »
DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown



This week, a sample parklet and public meeting will be set and held at Zodiac Grill to highlight plans for a future downtown parklet program. Here's a look at the details!

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 09:11:16 AM »
Maybe I missed it as I read, but are parklets temporary or permanent? I love the idea of replacing a parking space or two with a unique outdoor seating structure. Adams street is a perfect example of a street where these could be a positive addition. When FSCJ opens their downtown dormitory with fast casual at the street level, the front of their building would be another great location for a parklet.

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 09:37:25 AM »
They would be permanent (meaning they could stay) but structurally they would be designed to be easily removed, if necessary.
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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 06:34:23 PM »
This is a joke, right? April Fools in May? Otherwise I think the final shred of common sense prevailing in the Urban Core has gone with the wind. The lack of relevant parking spaces, meaning those that anybody actually wants to occupy, is already a huge challenge for local businesses, and now DVI is proposing that some of those prime spots become "parklets"? For what purpose? For the masochistic masses to melt into the asphalt during our hellish nine-month summers? I don't get it. Can somebody please explain?

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 07:57:45 PM »
Can somebody please explain?

I'd be glad to offer an explanation, but I'd also consider it a waste of time since your leading issue is, "The lack of relevant parking spaces, meaning those that anybody actually wants to occupy, is already a huge challenge for local businesses..."

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 09:04:39 PM »
The objective I presume is to create a more interesting and attractive sidewalk ambience … an area more functional and attractive to the restaurant customer, the future shopper, and the casual visitor.  This makes good sense, but the relatively narrow streets make it difficult. 

The ideal … a fantasy … would be to have twice as much space between the buildings along a street so that there would be enough space for two lanes of vehicle traffic, parking, pedestrian sidewalk traffic, many more trees for shade, and some landscaping, and a generous area for people to enjoy outside tables.  The parklets is an attempt to squeeze this kind of environment into an area fundamentally too small because of the narrow streets.

Actually, ssky makes a good point about the sidewalk heat, which gets unbearable on many hot days along Laura, especially on the east side of the street in the afternoon.  Of course, much of the year, the heat is not oppressive.  Abundant trees would do wonders …. If there was enough room for them.

The good thing about Adams, along the sidewalk in front of the Zodiac, the sun is blocked much of the year by the buildings. 

The solution would be to move each of the buildings about 20 feet back from the street.  Impossible … so onward to a possible.  In order to create space for the desired ambiance, we might look at closing the “core” area of certain streets, and rerouting to two selected main arteries for each direction … east, west, north, and south.

Too radical?  A related option would be to maintain the streets, but to select some to make each only one lane … one-way of course ... forcing through traffic to other streets.  Adams would become one lane for westbound moving traffic, would maintain the same parking arrangement, and thereby offer much more space for trees, landscaping, and outside tables … all positive attributes for the pedestrian, the shopper, the diner, and the casual visitor.

This kind of solution would be more realistic if and when an effective mass transit system is in place … thereby removing the pressure for accommodating the daily mass of automobiles.  In any case, it would be a much better solution than moving all buildings 20 feet back from the streets.
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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 09:47:13 PM »
Jacksonville would not be the first Florida city to allow parklets. Miami and Fort Lauderdale also have implemented parklet programs in recent years. I don't see our weather being radically different. If outdoor spaces can work at SJTC and other locations in Jax, why not downtown?

This is a joke, right? April Fools in May? Otherwise I think the final shred of common sense prevailing in the Urban Core has gone with the wind. The lack of relevant parking spaces, meaning those that anybody actually wants to occupy, is already a huge challenge for local businesses, and now DVI is proposing that some of those prime spots become "parklets"? For what purpose? For the masochistic masses to melt into the asphalt during our hellish nine-month summers? I don't get it. Can somebody please explain?

Downtown doesn't have a parking problem. I'm down here daily and I've never had problems finding a space. Some of our sidewalks are too narrow for outdoor dining. Parklets are a solution to that. They also are proven traffic calming solutions. People tend to drive slower when there's more pedestrian activity within a compact location.

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 10:18:32 PM »
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"Downtown doesn't have a parking problem. I'm down here daily and I've never had problems finding a space. Some of our sidewalks are too narrow for outdoor dining. Parklets are a solution to that. They also are proven traffic calming solutions. People tend to drive slower when there's more pedestrian activity within a compact location."


Lake ... you are assuming that enough people will begin to use the "off street" parking ... which might be feasible.  It will involve a change in habits.  Many people are used to looking for easy street parking, as apposed to the multi-level parking garage.

Businesses such as mine would have to weigh the advantages of having an improved ambience out front, and having fewer street parking spaces for customers.  Many of these street spaces are abused in any case ... the same people parking every day in front for several hours, when they should use the garages.  Actually, I would support the parklets idea.  I think that people will get used to parking in the various garages.  And if the parklets are to come, our employees would have to encourage customers who call in ... to use the garages instead of searching for the increasingly scarce street parking.   

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2016, 10:37:49 PM »
^ Its not like there will be 100 parklets in downtown taking up 200 parking spaces.  Wee're likely talking about losing fewer than 20 parking spaces.

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2016, 11:17:21 PM »
Tufsu1 makes a great point. It's not like 100s of spaces will disappear. Jax will be lucky if it find opportunities for 20 feasible parklets. Feel free to come out to the meeting on Thursday to learn more!
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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 02:41:21 AM »
Unfortunately, we have not yet fixed the underlying problems that continue to plague our beloved downtown, including parking and safety. Until that happens, nothing is going to work. These great ideas that are so cool in cities like New York and San Francisco work there because they embellish an already firm foundation. Decorating is the fun part. But we keep trying to hang paintings in a house of cards. It doesn’t work. It can’t work until we get our hands dirty and fix our foundation. Festivals, One Sparks, Parks, and now Parklets, are all the pretty things we can play with once the ugly, tough stuff is done. I would love to be there on Thursday if I can find a good parking spot, for while I do live downtown, I cannot walk to the meeting in the heat (see my original post).  ;)

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2016, 06:13:33 AM »
Hmmm, since when did downtown Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach or Covington, KY become cool? These places aren't exactly known for their urban vibrancy. Keep in mind, the meeting is in the evening. There's at least three garages that are roughly one block away. That's significantly less of a walk than you'll invest in finding a parking space at SJTC, Avenues or your typical Walmart. The top of two of them, which I can see from my office window, are never full.
If you don't like the idea of people hanging out on the street, at the expense of an isolated parking space, that's one thing. However, claiming downtown doesn't have enough parking spaces is just wrong.
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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2016, 10:16:47 AM »
^ why bother lake....this person clearly has no interest in coming to the meeting.  If they actually came downtown, they would almost certainly find on-street parking within 1 block of the meeting location.

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2016, 03:45:56 PM »
Yeah, with enough parklets you could start to see a big bang for your buck downtown. I am so excited for this!

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Re: DVI to host public meeting to discuss parklets downtown
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2016, 09:27:28 AM »
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I cannot walk to the meeting in the heat (see my original post).  ;)

Use Uber, bring back the Potato Truck Sunflower line, there are options, other than complaining about the heat and what you cannot do.

Use the Parklets around 5-points. Derby has no problem putting up seats and tables at their end of the round-a-bout, now turn some parking spaces into more outside seating. Do it with all of 5-points, remove the parking and force people to use the RA Trolley or other means.I'd love the day when there is no more parking along Park Street in 5-points or for that matter in Avondale. The entire south wall of St. Johns Ave could turn into Parklets, geez, think of it, the Fox had REAL outside seating! Dang!
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