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Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« on: April 06, 2016, 03:00:04 AM »
Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened



Over the past 100 years, Jacksonville has been an epicenter of economic opportunity. It's also been a place where dreams have come to die. Here's 10 proposals with some merit that, for a variety of reasons, ultimately failed to materialize into reality.

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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2016, 04:05:17 AM »
2014-560 and the NEW CRA/DIA in the USA will change all that for any Downtown projects. We have a new Authority.
Fight Blight has been replaced with NICE and active legislation before the council 2016-140 will have every other project saying "Welcome to the Neighborhood".
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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 10:08:58 AM »
Great article, I always enjoy MJ's lookback pieces, although it's hard not to get jaded about all the missed and bungled opportunities. 

I'm curious about the 8th and Pearl rendering in the title picture since I live a block away from that intersection - what's the story with that project?

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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 11:09:30 AM »
Great article, I always enjoy MJ's lookback pieces, although it's hard not to get jaded about all the missed and bungled opportunities. 

I'm curious about the 8th and Pearl rendering in the title picture since I live a block away from that intersection - what's the story with that project?
^That was Craig Van Horn's 8th & Pearl proposal. It was supposed to be an infill mixed-use project with street level retail and residential above. I remember a few buildings on 8th Street being torn down for it. It never broke ground and Craig's real estate investments eventually went under with the fall of the housing market.



More info on it and other dead projects from the early 2000s here: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2008-oct-results-of-the-boom-dead-projects
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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 11:24:37 AM »
ABOUT AMTRAK

As for Amtrak, I believe what happened is the cash strapped Federal corporation, the State and the Florida East Coast merely changed the approach when the ill-advised Florida HSR bit the dust.

All Aboard Florida/Brightline is effectively completely overhauling the entire railroad. Double track (once one of the nations only completely double track routes) is going back down. Work is now breaking out of the Miami - West Palm area and into Martin County, Brevard and Orange. New signaling, new rail, new ties, new track, new right-of-way (Cocoa-Orlando) and it's just a matter of perhaps 2-3 more years until this breaks into the Cocoa-Jacksonville region. New Stations are already well on the way in downtown Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Orlando and about to break ground in Cocoa Beach. Expect the same to happen in either Daytona or New Smyrna, St. Augustine and ultimately Jacksonville.

Once this system is up and running as an intrastate corridor service, Amtrak long-distance trains such as the Silver Meteor and Silver Star can move in at a fraction of the cost that they originally anticipated. Huge savings, new stations and a complimentary corridor service.



*All photos from the Brightline executive tour of the Siemens plant

Type and origin
Power type   Diesel-electric
Builder   Siemens Mobility

Performance figures
Maximum speed   125 mph (201 km/h)
Power output   At alternator:
4,400 hp (3,300 kW) Short-Time
4,200 hp (3,100 kW) Continuous
At wheel (HEP dependent):
~4,000 hp (3,000 kW)
to
~2,900 hp (2,200 kW)
Tractive effort   Starting:
290 kN (65,000 lbf)
Factor of adh   4.07 (24.57%)



Performance figures
Fuel type   Diesel
Fuel capacity   1,800 US gal (6,800 l; 1,500 imp gal) (Standard)
Larger tanks available up to
2,200 US gal (8,300 l; 1,800 imp gal)
Prime mover   Cummins QSK95
RPM range   600-1800
Engine type   45° V16, four stroke cycle
Aspiration   Turbocharged
Displacement   95 liters (5,800 cu in)[1]
Traction motors   Siemens AC Traction Motors
Cylinders   16
Cylinder size   5.9375 liters (362.33 cu in)
Transmission   AC-DC-AC
MU working   Yes
Train heating   Locomotive-supplied head-end power; 1,000 kW (1,300 hp) 3-phase, 60 Hz, 480 VAC, 1000 kVA
Loco brake   Dynamic / Regenerative / Electropneumatic
Train brakes   Electropneumatic
Safety systems   FRA standards



Performance figures
Minimum curve   250 ft 0 in (76.20 m)
Wheelbase   32 ft 6 in (9.91 m) (between truck centers)
Length   71 ft 6 in (21.79 m)
Width   10 ft 0 in (3.05 m)
Height   12 ft 6 in (3.81 m)
Axle load   67,500 lb (30,617 kg)
Adhesive weight   100%
Loco weight   264,556 lb (120,001 kilograms)



Performance figures
Specifications
AAR wheel arr   B-B
UIC class   Bo′Bo′
Gauge   4 ft 8 1⁄2 in (1,435 mm)
Trucks   Siemens model SF4
Wheel diameter   44 in (1,118 mm)


Passenger car sides for Brightline


Brightline, All Aboard Florida, Florida East Coast and Siemens officials at the roll-out of the first Brightline passenger car.

The DDA's 1984 era, 'Nation's First Heritage Streetcar' system could easily be added to the list.
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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 12:38:31 PM »
Not sure I would classify the Freedom Commerce Centre Mall as a "great idea".

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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 01:14:47 PM »
Not sure I would classify the Freedom Commerce Centre Mall as a "great idea".

Yeah, some of these are a lot "greater" than others. We're way better off with Freedom Commerce Center Mall being wetlands than a(nother) mall. The Shipyards section also leaves out the part where Trilegacy defrauded the city.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2016, 01:20:22 PM »
Not sure I would classify the Freedom Commerce Centre Mall as a "great idea".

Yeah, some of these are a lot "greater" than others. We're way better off with Freedom Commerce Center Mall being wetlands than a(nother) mall. The Shipyards section also leaves out the part where Trilegacy defrauded the city.

Though I'm glad to see Disney World isn't on the list this time ;)

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-oct-jacksonvilles-ten-major-missed-opportunities
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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 02:09:14 PM »
Great article, I always enjoy MJ's lookback pieces, although it's hard not to get jaded about all the missed and bungled opportunities. 

I'm curious about the 8th and Pearl rendering in the title picture since I live a block away from that intersection - what's the story with that project?
^That was Craig Van Horn's 8th & Pearl proposal. It was supposed to be an infill mixed-use project with street level retail and residential above. I remember a few buildings on 8th Street being torn down for it. It never broke ground and Craig's real estate investments eventually went under with the fall of the housing market.



More info on it and other dead projects from the early 2000s here: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2008-oct-results-of-the-boom-dead-projects

WOW. This one is incredible. This would have radically accelerated the current trajectory of Springfield. I really wish something like this could still happen. :-/

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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2016, 09:07:49 AM »
No tears for the Freedom commerce Center but Riverwatch would have been nice, especially considering what went there instead.  Such a waste of a prime spot.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2016, 11:37:25 AM »
No tears for the Freedom commerce Center but Riverwatch would have been nice, especially considering what went there instead.  Such a waste of a prime spot.

Yup. Just hearing the words riverfront and parking together makes me cringe.
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Re: Great Ideas; No Action: 10 Projects That Never Happened
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2016, 05:05:58 PM »
I have always wanted to get into real-estate development but after reading this thread - and many more like it, there is probably more money to be made in "promotional material" production.
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