How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn

[Metro Jacksonville]

How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn



 

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-mar-how-to-fit-a-gas-station-into-brooklyn

[UNFurbanist]

Any way to submit these suggestions to DDRB?

[Steve]

Well, the DDRB approved one of them on the list, so they know what a good one looks like.

This one is just a matter of whether or not they care. The proposed plan is clearly awful. On the heels of 200 Riverside's excellent site plan, this shows the differences in good vs bad design.

[Bike Jax]

There was a sign up briefly on the Chelsea cul-de-sac
proposing permanent closure to that public right away. Which I'm
Sure means the city is once again is considering giving public land
to private industry. While little automotive traffic uses that area, it is an extremely high
pedestrian and bicycling right of way as it connects with Myrtle for a
quick trip into downtown with no steep grades to negotiate.

[mbwright]

If a company has the opportunity to do it quick and cheap, and use existing plans, this is what they propose.  It is never the best plan that is presented first.  Looks like many better options are out there.  It also seems like those that do the approving, have no idea what a good design is in the first place.  Rather than ask for variances, there should be sound design requirements in place to begin with.  This proposal should be laughed out.

[Captain Zissou]

Excellent work, Ennis!!  This needs to be broadcast over the airwaves so that everyone knows that the "hometown heroes" are trying to put one over on the city.  Brooklyn is a small neighborhood bound by the river and major highways.  Each block is important in establishing an urban environment.  If 7-Eleven and Daily's can incorporate urban design principles into their site plans, Gate can too.  They should be setting the example for the other chains to follow, not cutting corners to save a buck.

[CCMjax]

If a company has the opportunity to do it quick and cheap, and use existing plans, this is what they propose.  It is never the best plan that is presented first.  Looks like many better options are out there.  It also seems like those that do the approving, have no idea what a good design is in the first place.  Rather than ask for variances, there should be sound design requirements in place to begin with.  This proposal should be laughed out.

Exactly.  Gate already has the prototype designed and have built it several times, they are testing the waters with the concept that is most efficient for them not the neighborhood.  If they can get away with it here they will do it, if not I'm guessing they will compromise.  The area needs a gas station so I'm sure they would be willing to spend some extra design $$ to get the space if they are forced to.  Someone needs to convince them that they need a more urban prototype and this is a good place to get that more urban design oriented prototype on the files.  I'm not aware of another one they have with an urban design. 

[Seanithan]

Would love to see something like Parker's Gas Station and Market in Savannah, GA in this spot: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x88fb9e6f52eef843:0x7ee4fa96231074dc!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i100!3m1!7e1!4shttp://www.csnews.com/node/68298?nopaging%3D1!5s+-+Google+Search

[Tacachale]

Great article, Lake. It would be good to have an easy link to contact the DDRB.

[Riverrat]

Oh for Pete's sake!!! Come on HOMETOWN company. You can give your HOMETOWN better than this! Brooklyn deserves it. They shouldn't never presented this plan - just out of civic pride alone. SO disappointing, Gate!

[Kay]

Would love to see something like Parker's Gas Station and Market in Savannah, GA in this spot: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x88fb9e6f52eef843:0x7ee4fa96231074dc!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i100!3m1!7e1!4shttp://www.csnews.com/node/68298?nopaging%3D1!5s+-+Google+Search

Gate wants 24 pumps on the Brooklyn site.  How many pumps in your Parker example?  The godforsaken highway they put through Brooklyn a few years ago is what is driving this ginormous Gate station. 

I'm hoping those of you posting on this board find a way to reach out to Gate and ask them to do lots better.  And show up at DDRB to weigh in there.  It is going to take a lot more than a post on a blog.

[thelakelander]

Parker's only has 3 fuel positions.

[MEGATRON]

I'm a big fan of the plans.  Will be happy to have an alternative to the dumpy Shell in Five Points.

[Captain Zissou]

I'm hoping those of you posting on this board find a way to reach out to Gate and ask them to do lots better.  And show up at DDRB to weigh in there.  It is going to take a lot more than a post on a blog.

He doesn't post as often anymore, but a forum member does or used to work for Gate in a different division (i think materials or capital).  Maybe he can get this in the hands of the design folks.

[Tacachale]

What's the contact info for the DDRB? This "post on a blog" will be useful for showing examples of the kind of thing the city should be expecting in the urban core.