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Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« on: May 14, 2015, 11:25:01 AM »
Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams



Ken Jefferson and Mike Williams Debate to become Jacksonville's next sheriff.

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 03:24:33 PM »
Man, still a tossup for me. I really dislike Mike Williams response regarding body cameras and radios for the media. Let's me honest, the privacy reason is total BS (red light cameras anyone?). Other cities in FLA are using body cams and radios for the media in with no issue.

This is about accountability.

I understand the "blue brotherhood" and all that, but if you had a bad cop on your force why wouldn't you want to get rid of him/her? They're a liability! A company would fire a bad employee, JSO should be the same.

I think Mike might be Rutherford 2.0, which is NOT what I want.
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 08:05:38 PM »
Generally speaking, if it is a government record (paper, video, audio), it is open under the Sunshine Law to be accessible to the public. 

The idea that anyone will be able to get the video of you having a bad, drunken day, in your house or elsewhere, saying something you really shouldn't, is very probable... since camera do, for better or for worse, turn police into walking surveillance cameras aimed at you, not them.

Think of Mel Gibson.. and before you throw stones at him, you would be surprised how many otherwise upstanding citizens lose their minds when a little alcohol and stress hits.

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 10:24:06 PM »
Something else just occurred to me as well.

If body cameras do become the 'next thing', then the laws are most definitely going to be changed to that effect.  So in the not too distant future, when the general public EXPECTS there to be video/audio recordings of everything, how long will it be before the PD and defense attorneys are just tossing cases out due to lack of 'evidence'. 

See the red-light camera conundrum. 

At any given event there are multitudes of plain-clothes officers in and among the crowds.  They're not going to just 'fit in' if they would be required to wear a camera on their person.  How could they be excluded from that requirement once the video evidence become the basis for convictions?

We're definitely at the tip of the iceburg with this new technology and I fully expect to look back on the implementation of this as my parents and grandparents have witness the implementation and effect of dashboard cams and cellphone video from the public with regard to the police.
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2015, 08:25:26 AM »
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Man, still a tossup for me. I really dislike Mike Williams response regarding body cameras and radios for the media. Let's me honest, the privacy reason is total BS (red light cameras anyone?). Other cities in FLA are using body cams and radios for the media in with no issue.

Let's give the government unfettered access to all the video taken from squad cars, police cameras, drones and your smartphone spying on you. I think CBS has a TV show on this, Person of Interest, where "the machine sees everything". Hollywood is not far off from reality. Williams is right, how much more do we want and do we need?
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2015, 10:04:21 AM »
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Man, still a tossup for me. I really dislike Mike Williams response regarding body cameras and radios for the media. Let's me honest, the privacy reason is total BS (red light cameras anyone?). Other cities in FLA are using body cams and radios for the media in with no issue.

Let's give the government unfettered access to all the video taken from squad cars, police cameras, drones and your smartphone spying on you. I think CBS has a TV show on this, Person of Interest, where "the machine sees everything". Hollywood is not far off from reality. Williams is right, how much more do we want and do we need?

Smartphone is my property, and they shouldn't have access to it (not to say they don't).
The police work for me, to protect me, and are paid by me. They should have no right to privacy while on the clock.
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2015, 10:57:14 AM »
I watched both debates.  Williams knows what he is saying.  Jefferson says tag lines and rhetoric - tries to get people scared by telling emotional stories.  So far, Williams is my guy

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2015, 04:18:29 PM »
Great article that shows WIlliams commitment to community
 http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=545449

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2015, 11:14:09 AM »
Cored dump, its not the polices' privacy that is the concern, its the people they record that is the issue.

Nobody is going to mess with your cell phone, unless you use it while committing a crime.

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 11:29:21 PM »
"Nobody is going to mess with your cell phone" So Akira we are to take you word? A lot like the Feds that told us they weren't spying on Americans in general. Then Edward Snowden comes out with a lot of different information on the real FACTS of what is really going on with spying in America?
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2015, 02:06:20 AM »
you post stalking now...?

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2015, 02:31:14 AM »
you post stalking now...?
Not at all I'm just going back to seeing how you think. Are you afraid of your own words? I pray your not in law enforcement because with your attitude I'm afraid you act as if your the only one with the right Opinion. 
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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2015, 02:19:02 PM »
ah, the internet.. the place where opinionated people find fault with everyone else's opining..

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Re: Sheriff's Debate 2015: Ken Jefferson v. Mike Williams
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2015, 04:59:09 PM »
ah, the internet.. the place where opinionated people find fault with everyone else's opining..
Freedom of speech something you seem to hate akira.
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