Author Topic: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown  (Read 13526 times)

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2015, 01:05:41 PM »
  Bill Bishop is a Republican. First and foremost. If he was, in any way, concerned for the sincerity of his platform, it would have come after the REC meeting. Where, in no uncertain terms, he was kicked to the curb by the Duval Republican Party. Which was just as bad as having Jesse Smith kicked out of the REC meeting.
  He should have left the Republicans then. If only to run as a NPA. Or even as a Democrat, as the Duval Democrats dont endorse (democratic) candidates in unitary elections. Instead, he stayed and even attended the Duval Republican fundraiser, with keynote speaker Sen Ted Cruz.
  Bishops actions speak definitively for not just himself. But for the Republican party today.
  Bishop raised taxes in the Great Recession. Only because the Democrat refused. And Bishop proposes to raise taxes again, concerning the Pension plan. Because, again, the Democrat refused.
The Republican party of 2015 is not about conservatism vs liberalism.
Its about nothing more than anti Democratic Party.

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2015, 01:13:51 PM »
unless of course it gets in the way of them doing the actual job.  Like you wouldn't want an anarchist handling City Financing. (or at least I wouldn't)

And I like Brown for libertarian reasons downtown.  For the first time in my life, citizen created events like ONE SPARK, Friends of Hemming Park and GastroFest have been on the forefront of downtown redevelopment instead of bloated agencies and bureaucracies.  Its made us a stronger city and a better urban core, owned by the citizens for once in a freaking blue moon.

Does Brown deserve credit, or is this a result of a grassroots entrepreneurial wave?  Brown had years and years to endorse the concept of the USS Adams, but didn't utter a peep until it was clear the public was overwhelmingly for it.  I wonder, Stephen, if you could explain why this administration never seems to take the lead on initiatives or developments.  Why, for example, is he not leading on issues such as a development RFP on the old courthouse?  Why did he not begin Shipyards remediation years ago after the $13M settlement?  It just seems to me that the guy is incredibly reluctant to lead or take risks.

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2015, 01:16:43 PM »
The Republican party of 2015 is not about conservatism vs liberalism.
Its about nothing more than anti Democratic Party.

and some could argue the Democratic Party is about nothing more than being Anti-Republican.  Surely, the Mayor does not fit in with mainstream Democratic positions.

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2015, 01:42:23 PM »
Well written article, Stephen.  You articulated your position well and I'll admit, after I voted last week,  I did tell someone "I voted with a clear conscience.  I find the arguments about differences between Bishop & Brown to be almost moot at this point.  I hope people have already voted or have already researched enough to know who they will vote for tomorrow.

If after Tuesday, Brown is in run off with Bishop, Many of us may take a long view of how we voted and change.  If Brown is in a run off w/ Curry, I personally think Mayor Brown will get much more support and votes in run off.  If that is the case, I hope the Democrats can get back together and support the Mayor.


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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2015, 01:48:50 PM »
So Stephen, I'm right there with you on the lack of transparency thing.  Maybe it's justified, but it's damned frustrating.

But at least you can spill the beans on what you know about Berkman 2.  I'm told that Khan's people are actively talking to Choate, but I'd sure like to know the details and progress...

What are my chances??

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2015, 02:09:01 PM »
Alvin has not been a complete disaster in my mind, but he hasn't been transformational either. My biggest concern with him is his financial platform-a bit shaky. I cast my vote Saturday for Bishop. Alvin makes the runoff, and I'm hoping that Bishop can beat Curry. One on one I think Bishop beats Alvin.

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2015, 02:19:38 PM »
If [the mayor] were to resign mid-term, how is the vacancy filled?

In the event the mayor resigns, the president of the City Council becomes the acting mayor, which is how Jake Godbold became mayor. (The order of succession is: council president, council vice president, chair of rules...) As far as what happens next...

"...(b) In the event that a vacancy in the office of mayor occurs other than as provided in subsection (a), then such a vacancy shall be filled for the remainder of the unexpired term by election of a mayor at a special election to be called pursuant to resolution of the city council and held on a date no sooner than 1 month and no later than 6 months after the vacancy occurs."

 http://jacksonville.eregulations.us/code/coor_apxid175752_ptA_art6_sec6.06
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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2015, 02:30:15 PM »
Alvin has not been a complete disaster in my mind, but he hasn't been transformational either. My biggest concern with him is his financial platform-a bit shaky. I cast my vote Saturday for Bishop. Alvin makes the runoff, and I'm hoping that Bishop can beat Curry. One on one I think Bishop beats Alvin.
I totally agree Steve and a poll a week ago showed the ranks were closing and it is totally possible for this to end up being a race between Bishop and Brown. 
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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2015, 09:16:10 PM »
enquiring (purposeful spelling) minds want to know...why did the cover picture for the article change?

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2015, 09:38:42 PM »
This came in from the Brown camp yesterday. The questions were put together by Kristen Pickrell:











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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2015, 06:59:34 AM »
This has to be the biggest case if a YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN i've ever seen on this board. You are abdicating four more years of blase, four more years of passing the buck at 117 West Duval Street. Four more years of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Forget governing for both sides, this is a man who does not even govern after he has a budget created and to my knowledge has NEVER seen the inside of the City Council chambers to fight fo his budgets. He lets others do work for him, then takes the credit to appear as a pauper to the citizens.

More of the same blase "I'm with Alvin" crowd, who say they are looking for change, but in reality are happy with a guy who has more waffles than a house of pancakes. Really a poor choice based on his inability to lead Jacksonville.
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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2015, 10:44:01 AM »
Stephen,

You are a passionate young activist, which is admirable. You are more than entitled to your opinion in the Mayor's race.  However,  I hope for the sake of your own credibility you will correct some of your comments related to the Duval REC. 

I will give you a timeline of the events of the REC...

1. As Robin Lumb was preparing for his first meeting as REC Chair, he began receiving emails from members concerned that the party could not spend money for Lenny Curry unless they endorsed, so they asked to hold a vote at the next REC meeting to endorse Lenny.  Robin Lumb set a threshold and informed the members that if what constituted as a quorum emailed him requesting an endorsement vote, the REC would hold one.  The 10 day notice was sent out once this threshold was met by 70+ members requesting an endorsement vote.

2.  At the REC meeting, three new members were sworn in at the beginning of the meeting.   These were a Filipino couple and a very young UNF student- you know, the minorities and young people that you claim hate Lenny Curry and the GOP.  These members had applied months before, back when everyone believed that the Tea Party candidate Michael Jackson would be REC Chair, and long before any endorsement vote was even discussed.  There was no packing of the party for this vote, these were 3 organic new members who are passionate about politics and are beginning to get involved.  These new members were sworn in and then told they could not vote.

3.  The REC moved on to the endorsement process and gave both candidates equal time to speak.  Then the membership (minus the 3 new members who were wrongly denied a vote), were allowed to vote.  At the first vote count (which Jerry Holland presided over) it came back that not enough members voted for Lenny Curry for their to be an endorsement (the numbers were somewhere between 60-70 for Lenny vs. under 20 for Bishop, the exact numbers escape me.)  As you can see the vote was not even close.  The REC never voted to endorse Bill Bishop, as you claim.  If the vote which Jerry Holland announced stood, there simply would be NO endorsement.   However, Jerry handled the under votes in a way he would for a public election, but was incorrect in his interpretation under Roberts Rules of Order.  Lenny was actually the endorsed candidate under Roberts Rules of Order, but this was not realized until later as the REC unfortunately did not have anyone there versed on Roberts Rules, which is admittedly a huge mistake. 

4.  After this, Lenny Curry's supporters began to question why the three new members were not allowed to vote, since they were sworn members of the REC.   They then began asking for a revote.   At this point, Bill Bishop supporters began running out of the room, led by their Tea Party crazy Michael Jackson (why the Tea Party members support a pro-HRO, tax raiser escapes me.  Perhaps it goes back to Herman Cain, but I digress), in order to deny a quorum for a second vote in an attempt to disenfranchise these new members.

5.  Ultimately, Jerry Holland requested that they do a new vote, which Lenny ultimately won. 

So, I say all of that to say these few takeaways...

1.)  The three new members of the REC were wrongfully denied their right to vote.
2.) Jerry Holland was wrong in his initial interpretation of the election results, and Lenny was ENDORSED in the first ballot, and Bill Bishop never was.
3.) If Robin Lumb is guilty of anything it is incompetence of how to run a meeting (it was his first meeting, so I cut him some slack here).  He is not guilty of being some maniacal puppet master for Lenny Curry. 
4. )  Bill Bishop's supporters are just of guilty of playing games in the REC meeting, as Curry's supporters- they just happened to be on the losing end of it, so now they get to portray themselves as victims.  It's called politics, and in this instance they lost.

I hope this will clarify some things, and that you will make a correction to your post to reflect what really happened.

Have a nice day. 
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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2015, 11:11:33 AM »
Well Stephen you just got called young so that means I am barely middle aged.  I like it.  lol
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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2015, 11:40:29 AM »
Thank you Stephen.  Sorry if I unfairly directed that at you.  Perhaps, I should have more generically said "Democrats."

Also, one other point of clarification....I do not mean for my statements to be disparaging towards Jerry Holland.  He came in as a favor to the REC, was placed in the middle of what was a very uncomfortable and awkward situation for him, and one of his rulings was a genuine, honest mistake, which we are all capable of making.    Jerry Holland is a great Supervisor of Elections but simply wasn't terribly informed on the process of elections under Robert's Rules, as they are different. 

Thanks.   

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Re: Stephen Dare: Why I am voting for Alvin Brown
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2015, 09:29:48 PM »

 (why the Tea Party members support a pro-HRO, tax raiser escapes me.  Perhaps it goes back to Herman Cain, but I digress),


For the 9 plus paragraphs being posted, the whole answer is between the paragraphs i e "between the lines". If literally!
Then again, I'm a Democrat.