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Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« on: May 21, 2008, 04:00:00 AM »
Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk



As a result of a land swap between the City and Fidelity that threatens the future of Riverside Avenue's historic fire station, Jacksonville residents have gained more access to the river in the form of a 1.3 acre park with 28 public parking spaces.  

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 05:51:38 AM »
The area under the Fuller Warren should host an all-day Farmer's Market on Saturdays.  Weren't there plans for that earlier? 
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 06:08:39 AM »
Good article (as usual) Ennis.
Not sure there still couldn't be a farmer's market - why not?

My question - how do you keep Fidelity Plaza employees from parking in these new public parking spaces, and the ones coming online under the Fuller Warren?  Will they be posted/closed until 9 or 10am?

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2008, 08:18:56 AM »
The area under the Fuller Warren should host an all-day Farmer's Market on Saturdays.  Weren't there plans for that earlier? 

Given the site layout, it would be a pretty small farmer's market that would be difficult to get trucks in and out.  Also, how would that hold up against the real farmer's market on Beaver Street?  Limiting duplicity was another reason we pushed for the location of the real farmer's market over a year ago when they asked the JEDC for money to relocate.
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2008, 08:40:39 AM »
The area under the Fuller Warren should host an all-day Farmer's Market on Saturdays.  Weren't there plans for that earlier? 

Given the site layout, it would be a pretty small farmer's market that would be difficult to get trucks in and out.  Also, how would that hold up against the real farmer's market on Beaver Street?  Limiting duplicity was another reason we pushed for the location of the real farmer's market over a year ago when they asked the JEDC for money to relocate.

Ideally, the Beaver Street market would have gone to DT or LaVilla or this location.  However, there is a Greenville Farmer's Market similiar to Beaver Street, and also a Saturday market DT. The one DT is much smaller and more of a niche market.

Both have local produce, but the atmosphere and the offerings are more upscale at the DT location.  Kind of how Publix differs from Winn Dixie.  Also, the DT market has fresh baked items, and home decor stuff too to help differentiate it.

Each market attracts  a different crowd, so they don't seem to compete against each other.   The DT market has no permanant infrastructure. The police close off two blocks  before daybreak and the vendors set up before 7:00 or so.  The whole thing finishes  around noon, and the street is reopened.   Unlike the Fuller Warren site, there is no direct protection from the elements (other than the tree canopy).
 

Plus many people in Jax don't even know the Beaver St market exists, and even if they did, would not go there anyway because of the area's perception.   
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2008, 08:55:38 AM »
A group headed by Kitty Crenshaw is currently looking for space for a farmer's market in the Riverside area. The bridge arcade could be a good location. This will be a market for actual producers, not wholesalers like the market on Beaver Street. These will be small farms and CSAs and other small, organic growers, bakers, and artisans in the region, so truck space won't be an issue. At the last meeting we discussed getting the market ready for the first fall harvests in this area, which would be before Thanksgiving.

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 08:57:18 AM »
Wasn't the paved area under the Main Street Bridge, between MOSH and Treaty Oak Park, supposed to be an outdoor farmers/flea market?  Today, outside of skateboarders, it sits empty most of the week.

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Ideally, the Beaver Street market would have gone to DT or LaVilla or this location.  However, there is a Greenville Farmer's Market similiar to Beaver Street, and also a Saturday market DT. The one DT is much smaller and more of a niche market.

Both have local produce, but the atmosphere and the offerings are more upscale at the DT location.  Kind of how Publix differs from Winn Dixie.  Also, the DT market has fresh baked items, and home decor stuff too to help differentiate it.

Where is the "downtown" Greenville market located, in relation with the rest of that city's downtown destinations?  Is it visible from the street for people visiting or driving through the downtown core?  Is it within walking distance of existing retail shops, restaurants, etc. or is it as isolated as a site under the Fuller Warren?  Although I'd personally prefer one powerhouse market that's centrally located and offers everything, if a second smaller make-shift market is desired, it would be better off between the TU center and the Landing, Hemming Plaza or Hogan Street under the Skyway.  At least then, people visiting are exposed to existing retail shops and restaurants in the area, which is what creating and benefitting from urban synergy is all about.

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Plus many people in Jax don't even know the Beaver St market exists, and even if they did, would not go there anyway because of the area's perception.

I would say this has more to do with limited to no marketing of the Beaver Street market.  Its pretty much a "find-by-word-of-mouth" atmosphere.  Nevertheless, compared to the location of Detroit's Eastern Market, which does pull in local residents and tourists because its heavily marketed, that section of town is Ponte Vedra.
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 09:00:24 AM »
A group headed by Kitty Crenshaw is currently looking for space for a farmer's market in the Riverside area. The bridge arcade could be a good location. This will be a market for actual producers, not wholesalers like the market on Beaver Street. These will be small farms and CSAs and other small, organic growers, bakers, and artisans in the region, so truck space won't be an issue. At the last meeting we discussed getting the market ready for the first fall harvests in this area, which would be before Thanksgiving.

Hopefully, they'll use the Fuller Warren since we've invested money in putting it there.  Just make sure, they have ample signage from the streets because visibility from Riverside Avenue will be pretty poor.
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 09:08:28 AM »
A group headed by Kitty Crenshaw is currently looking for space for a farmer's market in the Riverside area.

Although privately owned, another spot that would be centrally located, is the triangle shaped lot where the Oak Street Lofts were once planned.  Its the corner of Oak and Margaret Streets, right next to Mossfire Grill.  The site's owner recently demolished the house so its as flat as a pancake now and is dead smack in the middle of the Publix shopping center and the Park Street strip. 
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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 10:00:14 AM »
Not to get off topic here, but as a forumer who was born, bred, and who lived in Jax for many years but is now an outsider living in Sarasota-Bradenton Florida, that picture of the Southbank is awesome from that viewpoint and angle.  The Peninsula seems to almost, almost I say, dwarf Riverplace Tower; but the Southbank, with fewer skyscrapers but with a definitive skyline, seems to be on the way to becoming dense.  If the St. John's is built next to Aetna, image what that skyline on Southbank will look like!

I applaud what Jax is doing with the Riverwalk project and the the Artist's Gallery/Possible Fleamarket underneath Fuller Warren; great idea and will be a big draw and a development catalyst for Riverside and the south end of downtown.  My Jax looks good!

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2008, 10:03:01 AM »
The park should be a nice spot to watch fireworks with the family.

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 10:47:37 AM »
Although this is Jacksonville and it will never happen because we have a goofy sign ordinance,  great looking unique signage, possibly some kind of interesting archway type entrance on Riverside Avenue would be great. And it would be nice to give that little area a unique name, but I know that RAP and the city of Jax would die first....
And that's no disrespect to RAP.

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2008, 11:02:04 AM »
That area has a distinct name, Brooklyn.


The work done on the riverwalk looks fantastic and the ideas proposed for the area under the bridge should serve it well, IMO.  Also the new "trolly" route down Riverside Avenue should help to connect the park to both Downtown and Riverside residents.  This park is the beginning of something great for the area.

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2008, 11:05:58 AM »
The trolley only runs during weekday lunch hours.  Does JTA have plans to extend the trolley's service?

The bridge is also a skip and a hop away from the Cummer.  It would probably be a good idea to go ahead and extend the riverwalk south to connect with the Cummer.  From the image below, it looks like there was a walkway here at some point a while back.

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Re: Public Access Improvements for Northbank Riverwalk
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2008, 11:08:51 AM »
The JTA would be crazy not to extend the hours of the trolly.  Isn't it their most popular line, already?