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More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« on: September 19, 2014, 03:00:02 AM »
More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?



People may be interested in alternative forms of mobility nationwide but is that trend apparent in Jacksonville? Out of $7.6 billion dollars to possibly be spent on improving Jacksonville's transportation network through 2040, nearly $5 billion appears to be dedicated for more roads and expressways. $0.06 billion may go to improving the bicycle and pedestrian network. Here's a look at Path Forward 2040's draft Cost Feasible Plan's proposed budget breakdown by mode.

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 05:49:58 PM »
no surprise here....

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 08:53:03 PM »
Sounds like we need to improve some grass roots advocacy for transit.

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2014, 03:57:53 AM »
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why is there a category called "Highway/Transit" when the First Coast Expressway and "Other State Hwy" fall under "Roads" instead?

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2014, 10:26:27 AM »
^ not at all a dumb question.  It should be explained better.

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2014, 10:40:48 PM »
Sorry- Bumpy Road ahead- no more exits.

Asking the powerful question "Then what?" has been masterfully subjugated,employed on the behalf of the road builders.

Regardless of current public hearings, spirited input, the bulk of future roadway initiative was decided and empowered/Vested years ago. Literally by some of the exact persons,theory and outlook that created modern day Blanding Boulevard.So Sorry!

For example-See Clay County early 1970's Comp Plan,(on the heels of the Local Government Planning Act....."Growth Management"!!...) future road ways.
Beltway;A gentle inked arch through a map of Clay County,decades old Clay Growth Booster vision,driven by Penney Farm/Reinhold,later empowered via Brannon / Chaffee & Lake Asbury 1 & 2) Sector Plans- all perfectly entangled in to present day TPO and "First Coast",Duval happenings.

Current events were decided and Vested just a little too long ago in an era dangling between past & future.


Nobody thought to hang Tom Smathers (yea,I know,and will not forget....),General Development Corp,fellow Duval Boosters,Corridor investors as identified in Official Record Book & Page or others in effigy. Including Mayor Delaney by the way,who provided key nudge to regulatory matters regarding the Brannon Chaffe Expansion- key Outer Beltway component.My guess is,few here know of the Delaney connection.

When Jax MPO Chief Calvin Burney erroneously announced the  level of vehicles using Brannon Chaffee upon opening (assumed Blanding Blvd.'alleviation') would be equal to projected Average Daily Traffic after a period of time,due to Corridor development,we knew we were screwed. The erroneous decades old image and promotion of Blanding Blvd. "Alleviation" masterfully championed. (And no formal Florida Times Union recant-even though there was some internal concern and discourse)
What has Mr Burney been up to since?
Will we some day scrutinize Beltway "Network Alleviation" as some once did with Blanding & Brannon Chaffee?
So what,by then.

Sorry- Too Late. No doubt the info above is new to many. Too bad. That was just a tid bit.
We get the transit,roadways and landscape we deserve.
(This writer and others were able to modify the gentle arch somewhat,modifying the proposed Beltway route, but on the whole,we witnessed our collective heads served on D.O.T/Local Government "Projection" platter. Planner & Consultant garnish)

Who here on the forum can tell us when the window for First Coast Beltway legal decision "NO BUILD" option( a component of formal public input) quietly passed? (Tufsu-you don't count,not that you would share here anyway)

Today's events are post "Dangle"

« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 11:28:13 PM by Know Growth »

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 12:34:08 AM »
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why is there a category called "Highway/Transit" when the First Coast Expressway and "Other State Hwy" fall under "Roads" instead?

Good question.  The second category is TMA funding that can be used for highway or transit projects.  The feds use the term highway, but it could just as easily be roads/transit in this case.     

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 01:19:33 PM »
This should be down right spell binding to the 849,997 of you that stayed home during the recent TPO dog and pony show. The 23 of us that did show up (you must give consideration to the 11 or 12 souls that were being paid to be there) gave them hell for two solid hours. Will it matter? No a chance. This stuff is pre ordained and in the pipeline, the 'public input' is simply a noise hurdle required by big brother. You will get more roads, less transit, less bike and pedestrian paths and you will learn to like it! The voices of change can be counted on one hand.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 08:24:42 PM »
Americans love their cars, despite all the naysayers. They love the freedom to come and go as they like and not have to wait for the bus, cab, train, etc., which may or may not take them where they want to go. So quit acting like roads are evil. The problem with public transportation is that a small portion of the population uses it but EVERYONE gets to subsidize it.

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 09:52:12 PM »
Everyone subsidizes roads for cars too.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 10:18:19 PM »
This should be down right spell binding to the 849,997 of you that stayed home during the recent TPO dog and pony show. The 23 of us that did show up (you must give consideration to the 11 or 12 souls that were being paid to be there) gave them hell for two solid hours. Will it matter? No a chance. This stuff is pre ordained and in the pipeline, the 'public input' is simply a noise hurdle required by big brother. You will get more roads, less transit, less bike and pedestrian paths and you will learn to like it! The voices of change can be counted on one hand.
BOHIKA!

300....350 for sure,could have "showed UP" and Trounced ,Legally,Beltway "Vision"
Way back when.....shucks , not so long ago.......the file only 23 inches high......then Stopped.
Nothing here at MJ Energizes.
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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 10:35:45 PM »
Americans love their cars, despite all the naysayers. They love the freedom to come and go as they like and not have to wait for the bus, cab, train, etc., which may or may not take them where they want to go. So quit acting like roads are evil. The problem with public transportation is that a small portion of the population uses it but EVERYONE gets to subsidize it.

Sorry, but please tell me how much money we made off of the street in front of your house last year? You know? The one we all helped pay for?

Mass transit/Amtrak/etc is not about subsidy, not about ecology, not about traffic alleviation, not about instantaneous satisfaction or movement... It is about FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The choice to own a car and pay $10,000 dollars a year for the privilege, or the choice to spend $1,200 a year and ride transit. Good usable transit makes that choice available to many more Jaxson's.

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Re: More Roads in Jacksonville's Future?
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2014, 02:44:11 PM »
just hopefully whatever they build isn't as crazy as the on ramp on JTB getting on to 95 north. It is a pain sometimes to get over there because of the divider.
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