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Re: Bring Home The USS Adams To Downtown Jacksonville
« Reply #210 on: June 22, 2021, 02:13:45 PM »
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A Jacksonville group's quest to bring a Navy ship to downtown Jacksonville as a floating museum has had its ups and downs the past 11 years, but after a global pandemic and then a hurricane that broke the USS Orleck free from its Louisiana dock, local boosters are hoping to have the ship here by Veterans Day.

Whether the USS Orleck, currently docked in Lake Charles, La., ever ends up in Jacksonville still depends on what an out-of-water assessment of the ship's condition finds sometime in the fall.

If it passes that make-or-break test, then the Jacksonville-based non-profit that's worked to bring a Navy ship to one of downtown's piers will have the USS Orleck towed to Jacksonville and open it for daily visits.

A bad showing in dry dock, however, will be the end of the line for the USS Orleck.....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2021/06/21/jacksonville-may-know-months-if-uss-orleck-floating-museum/7709787002/

The USS Orleck was commissioned in 1945.  It was a museum in Orange, Texas, where it was built, for 5 years.  Sat in the water for another 4 years after the town refused to let it dock after a hurricane.  Then it was moved to Louisiana to repeat as a museum in 2009.  They were going to close the museum and either scrap it or sink it until our Jax team showed interest. Now it awaits a fall inspection to see if it is salvageable.

While I admire the tenacity and mission of the Adams/Orleck group, I believe this ship and most others like it, are just too expensive to keep afloat and will never receive enough support to keep them going.

Just look at the long term life of the Queen Mary, probably the world's most famous "museum/entertainment" ship, and the failure of anyone to keep the ship in good enough condition to keep it afloat.  Now, the City of Long Beach is taking it over as, once again, an operator/owner has filed bankruptcy.  It needs an estimated $23 million in immediate repairs just to keep it from capsizing and over $289 million to properly restore it.  I don't see such resources in the millions for the Orleck being raised here on an ongoing basis which will be necessary as I don't expect operating revenue to even come close to covering its maintenance costs.

If we can't maintain a one-of-a-kind railroad engine that was already here and has historic ties directly to Jacksonville for a fraction of the costs and we can't rally the citizenry around preserving our historic structures, how do we expect anything more for a ship that has little or no connection to the area and is not all that historically notable on the national scene?  Sadly, our "history of preserving history" here does not bode well for this project.
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Long Beach has taken back control of the Queen Mary from the ship’s operating company amid concerns that the 87-year-old vessel has not been properly maintained, the city announced Friday.

“For the first time in decades, Long Beach has full control of the Queen Mary. We will be fully engaged in the preservation of this historic landmark and are incredibly grateful for this opportunity,” Mayor Robert Garcia said in a statement.

The former ocean liner turned floating hotel has long been a challenge to operate, with a 2017 study recommending that as much as $289 million worth of renovations and upgrades were needed to keep parts of the ship from flooding. According to a trove of court documents and inspection reports released last month, the Queen Mary needs $23 million in immediate repairs to prevent it from potentially capsizing....
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-06-04/long-beach-takes-over-queen-mary

From Wikipedia's USS Orleck article:
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....Museum ship (since 2000)

On 12 August 2000, the Turkish government transferred Yücetepe to the Southeast Texas War Memorial and Heritage Foundation at Orange, Texas, for use as a memorial and museum under her old name, USS Orleck.

When Hurricane Rita stuck the Texas coast in September 2005, Orleck was severely damaged. After repairs, Orleck was ready to return to her pier at Ochiltree-Inman Park; however, the City of Orange refused to allow her to return. Orleck was temporarily relocated to Levingston Island, then moored north of Orange Harbor Island.

On 6 May 2009, the Lake Charles, Louisiana, City Council voted in favor of an ordinance authorizing the City to enter into a Cooperative Endeavor Agreement with USS Orleck. On 20 May 2010 it moved to Lake Charles, Louisiana where it is now on display. The grand opening in Lake Charles occurred on 10 April 2011. As of 2019 the ship was currently facing closure of the museum with the ship being either sunk or scrapped; however the museum remained operational.

In 2019, following the failure to acquire USS Charles F. Adams (DDG-2) as a museum ship in Jacksonville, Florida, it has been proposed by to acquire Orleck and move her to the proposed berth that was obtained for the Charles F. Adams. The USS Adams Association studied Orleck and deemed that she would survive the tow from Lake Charles to Jacksonville. The proposal is under consideration.[1]
Museum ship USS Orleck aground after Hurricane Rita in 2005.

On August 30, 2019, the Jacksonville Naval Museum announced that the transfer of Orleck to Jacksonville has been approved and are waiting on finalizing plans with the Jacksonville city council.[2]

In February 2020, the move to Jacksonville was confirmed. She would remain open in Lake Charles until March 1, 2020, before closing in preparation for an inspection by the US Coast Guard for towing to dry dock in Texas for repairs before making the tow to Jacksonville.[3]

The tow to Jacksonville was delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic. She broke loose from her mooring in the Calcasieu River during Hurricane Laura, drifting a mile down stream before drifting aground with some damage.[4].....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Orleck
It's called a hull and inner shipboard inspection for suitability to tow and move to Jax. Once it gets moved here that's not the end of it. Any minor defects noted while in drydock will have to be addressed, fixed/repaired, and then re-inspected before opening to the public. Other things must be done as well relative to bilges, fuel tanks, etc. before opening as well. It's much more tedious than you all think
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Re: Bring Home The USS Adams To Downtown Jacksonville
« Reply #211 on: June 22, 2021, 05:36:50 PM »
I would much prefer a museum.

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Re: Bring Home The USS Adams To Downtown Jacksonville
« Reply #212 on: June 23, 2021, 04:14:15 PM »
Orleck should be a reef or razor blades. Find a retired OHP class frigate… they were stationed in large numbers at Mayport and were workhorses of the Cold War…
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."