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Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« on: March 19, 2014, 03:00:02 AM »
Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception



In this editorial, Metro Jacksonville's Bob Mann explains why JTA's proposed Greyhound station should be reconsidered and why Jacksonville may be a code word for Screw the Pooch.

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 09:39:08 AM »
Speaking of relocating the convention center. Here's an update in today's Biz Journal:

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2014/03/18/economic-impact-of-tourism-leads-to-convention.html
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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 09:46:22 AM »
Isn't the convention center business dying, or at least in decline for the last decade?

Good points Ock, looking at the floorplans for the current Greyhound station, it would actually make a great homeless center! Wouldn't that be ironic.

Also, I thought Greyhound was already locked into this spot? And the walking distance isn't too big of a deal to me, I mean how many people out of those 200 would actually be going to Greyhound? Of course, in my opinion this will never be built anyway. Eventually housing will rise and a developer will sweet talk the land away and then, finally, LaVilla will become a community again. Maybe like Brooklyn did, just in 2025.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 09:54:39 AM »
Also can someone please mention the architecture of this building is horrendous! Just saw a TED talk last night talking about better architecture happening in America but apparently Jacksonville has missed the bus on that one ;) (sorry couldnt help myself)

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 11:43:29 AM »
I would be good if Greyhound could be moved 1/2 block south (between Forsyth and Houston), which will put it basically next to the Skyway parking lot.  JTA and FDOT are moving forward with a plan to develop a new local bus station (think Rosa Parks).  If that happens, there will basically be a seamless connection between Greyhound, JTA bus, and JTA Skyway.

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 12:14:11 PM »
^That would make more sense. If I were them, I probably wouldn't worry about adding a parking garage in the JRTC plans until there's some real TOD that makes it worthwhile.  Between the convention center and JTA's lots between Forsyth and Houston, there's more than enough underutilized spaces to take advantage of first.

Also can someone please mention the architecture of this building is horrendous! Just saw a TED talk last night talking about better architecture happening in America but apparently Jacksonville has missed the bus on that one ;) (sorry couldnt help myself)

Yes, the architecture comes off as cheap and horrendous.  Not exactly what a community should want for something that will essentially become a gateway to the city for the people who utilize it. Btw, the existing Greyhound station has a lot more character and a superior location, with the Skyway literally across the street.  Why are we moving it again? I know its too late, but would we not be better off, renovating it and the sidewalk areas surrounding it?


http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM54BV_Greyhound_Bus_Station_Jacksonville_Florida

Seriously, when you think about it, the station has been there since 1956 (58 years). Fix it up and it can be everything that modern facilities in other communities are today.  Is the root of this more about some classes of people being afraid of their neighbors and economic classes that can't afford to fly out of JIA?

Isn't the convention center business dying, or at least in decline for the last decade?

Good points Ock, looking at the floorplans for the current Greyhound station, it would actually make a great homeless center! Wouldn't that be ironic.

Also, I thought Greyhound was already locked into this spot? And the walking distance isn't too big of a deal to me, I mean how many people out of those 200 would actually be going to Greyhound? Of course, in my opinion this will never be built anyway. Eventually housing will rise and a developer will sweet talk the land away and then, finally, LaVilla will become a community again. Maybe like Brooklyn did, just in 2025.

Density has a larger impact on foot traffic. For example, fix up Greyhound at its current location and places like 7-11 and Pita Pit will be better off. Remove the only 24/7 destination in the vicinity and you risk creating another section of the core where most businesses don't open outside of M-F daytime office hours.

Anyway, as far as the JRTC (or any transit center) goes, the closer the modes are together, the better chance of keeping supporting retail spaces open.  You'd also cut down on the amount of money it would take to construct all these terminals. Going compact, you'd create opportunities for shared waiting rooms, ticketing areas, restrooms, etc.
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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2014, 02:21:51 PM »
Yes, the architecture comes off as cheap and horrendous.  Not exactly what a community should want for something that will essentially become a gateway to the city for the people who utilize it. Btw, the existing Greyhound station has a lot more character and a superior location, with the Skyway literally across the street.  Why are we moving it again? I know its too late, but would we not be better off, renovating it and the sidewalk areas surrounding it?

because the folks at Everbank want it moved

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 04:47:08 PM »
As an avid Amtrak traveler, I am most impressed by the amenities that a train station can offer its passengers.  It would be nice to be able to grab a quick meal at the train station like I can in New York, Washington or Boston.  I feel great disappointment whenever I go to train stations in other cities and then return to what we have on Clifford Lane. 
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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2014, 05:16:36 PM »
Yes, the architecture comes off as cheap and horrendous.  Not exactly what a community should want for something that will essentially become a gateway to the city for the people who utilize it. Btw, the existing Greyhound station has a lot more character and a superior location, with the Skyway literally across the street.  Why are we moving it again? I know its too late, but would we not be better off, renovating it and the sidewalk areas surrounding it?

because the folks at Everbank want it moved

Can you back this statement up? I have never heard this come up from anyone at EverBank.

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2014, 10:26:50 PM »
Everbank has expressed interest in the property from the get go...some think its because of the clientele the bus station draws to the area...other surmise they want to build a parking structure (Everbank Center doesn't have one)

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2014, 10:34:21 PM »
Really?  Another parking structure downtown?

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2014, 10:52:13 PM »
^ well you know Kay, parking downtown is just soooo hard ;)

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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2014, 11:12:06 PM »
There's still space in the garage they park in, that's across the street from the bus station.  I park in the same garage, so I see all the empty spaces daily.
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Re: Dog Without A Bone – JTA’S Great Greyhound Deception
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 09:57:55 AM »
So they just want to get rid of it I guess? Why is this city so obsessed with parking??

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 10:20:01 AM »
So they just want to get rid of it I guess? Why is this city so obsessed with parking??

I think a lot of the "there's no parking downtown" beliefs is just fear of the unfamiliar.  Might help if there was more clear and easily accessible info available on where to park specific to popular destinations, time of day and weekday/weekend.
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