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Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« on: January 12, 2014, 03:00:01 AM »
Sending Kids to Jail



Interview with Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas on the sad state of our juvenile detention systems.


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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 07:05:09 AM »
Great Interview!
I want to be involved.
This has immediately motivated me to respond to Civil Citations and Notices to Appear.
I'm committed to our DIA (Downtown Incarceration Area)
I'm All In.
Will report back.
Again, Thank you for the discussion.

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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 09:30:29 AM »
Negativism often gets cliched alot; Like OUR failing juvenile detention centers. Sometimes certain issues are very tough. I don't know any rosy perfect juvenile crime system.   

If you are too lenient with these murdering kids, this country will go to hell in a handbasket; With young criminals taking total advantage of an unjust system. Most know right from wrong, so I don't buy that 'brain development hasn't matured, so give them a slap on the wrist'.

Just like the Makia Coney case, when those two thugs murdered her for 'a thrill'. Are those the types that you want in your society? That killer Charles Southern is trying to take advantage of the system (VIA stupid new liberal law) right now by not manning up and doing his time; I respect that other kid who isn't trying to seek leniency just because he was a juvenile. Be soft on them, and they will show no remorse. I'm glad that actionnews is on top of that Southern case.
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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 09:45:48 AM »
Send the parents of the kids committing the crimes, to jail with them. Let them serve the sentences in con-currency. We don't need deadbeat parents soaking up resources in America. If you bring them into the world, show some responsibility or GET out of the country. Chicago will be a few million people less real quick!
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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 09:56:01 AM »
Two crime scene vans are still on the scene. The Wyndham parking lot next to the Duval County School Board building. Shell casings around a vehicle. Roped off area. This is WJXT's hood. Anyone?

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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 10:03:29 AM »
I am writing this post from out of town since I have a Nephew who lives in Jacksonville and has learning disability. He is on a several months waiting list to see a psychiatrist and he has recently quit high school. I am proposing a few ideas that I believe may help him and others to live independently. This post is to make people to think.
I believe our "war on drugs" can be better met if states were to greatly increase mental health care. They say they are finding the percent of people with depression runs much higher than they ever thought. People are simply "medicating" themselves of their depressions by way of illegal drugs as a result. Then a person cannot get a job since they have to give blood tests for drugs. They will then fail this test, thus they cannot get a job. Then they will end up into trouble. This will then also show up in their background. Then this will also prevent them from getting a job. And on and on it goes until you create a huge sub-culture of gangs and drugs, as a result.
Second, they ought to do research on whether high school dropouts and those who are homeless may be strong at learning by hands-on means. They ought to bring in games that teach things like math and English to where you may move the actual equations or sentence parts, so they will learn them better. In other words, I believe many of us are bad at English, due to you have to be a good listener and note taker in class; yet may be excellent at Scrabble. Thus new jobs training programs should reflect this.
In addition, many times to be successful at school or on the job, you must be a good listener to take classroom notes or to follow instructions on the job. Because of students not being good listeners, they will then get lost in school and not follow directions. Thus hands on learners will end up quitting school or go from job to job as a result. Then they end up into trouble. Due to this, at least schools and companies should be mindful of giving directions in written form. Then their students and employees may perform their tasks more successfully as a result.
They ought to set up new RVs with HD sets on its side. Then drive them to homeless centers or where the unemployed congregate, of new job training opportunities by way of visual means. These sets should also broadcast social services, like mental health care, as well. Then more people will obtain this information better as a result.
Third, there may be a physical reason why some people may appear to be lazy, thus many will not keep jobs. As our youth's obesity rate has skyrocketed, so to has type-2 diabetes and sleep apnea. A symptom of these diseases includes lack of energy. Thyroid problems are also an epidemic. This disease will cause lack of energy as well. So this laziness may not be a character issue but that of a medical issue. Please have your leading universities research if there are medical reasons why people are "lazy."
In conclusion, in business there are cost/benefit analysis proposals to see if the benefits out way the costs of any event. So they ought to weigh whether these 3 proposals above will actually create more benefits than costs. Thus my Nephew and others may benefit from these concepts, as a result. 

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 10:21:37 AM »
^^^If a juvenile killed your loved one, would be satisfied with an one year sentence in juvie, with some following 'therapy'? You wanna know what's more valuable than money spent housing criminals? Innocent lives which will be sniffed out by murderous unforgiving scum...Me an M-train's thoughts aren't the 'stupid' ones here, oppossed to an 'ineffective' slap on a wrist...
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 10:27:03 AM »
^^^I'm talking about the straight out murderers, like the Charles Southerns' of the world, not accidental cases. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 10:29:52 AM »
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Me an M-train's thoughts aren't the 'stupid' ones here, oppossed to an 'ineffective' slap on a wrist...

We are stupid and ineffectual in the eyes of Mr. Dare this morning. He probably read that his beloved Audrey Moran was not running for Mayor in 2015 and decided to take it out on all of us.

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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 11:47:01 AM »
Thank you so much for this excellent interview with Hank and Gray. I have spent the last 30 years working with youth in the foster care system, first in Jacksonville, and for over 20 years now in California. As a society we all too easily throw away children. The vast amount of children in the juvenile justice system have not murdered anyone- they stole a bike, or ran way, or bought or sold drugs, or prostituted ( commercially sexually exploited children is a HUGE problem). If we don't intervene as a society they continue to be marginalized, without the resources all children deserve. The ones who end up in Juvenile Hall, and all too often prison are the ones without parents to support them, whose parents are marginalized themselves, or unable to parent. As Gray and Hank said, these are our children, they belong to all of us, and the mark of a civilized society is how we treat these most vulnerable of our society. The cost to society is high- most of these children will grow up to have children themselves- and the cycle is repeated. Or we can intervene, and nurture and support families and children with resources that will enable them to thrive. The choice is ours, and the angry, harsh, punitive options may feel good initially to some, but the cost is too high- financially and morally. I sincerely thank Hank and Gray for their work on the front lines!

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 12:51:39 PM »
Is there a waynto link to this on Facebook?

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 01:12:43 PM »
Done!

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 04:07:15 PM »
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^^^If a juvenile killed your loved one, would be satisfied with an one year sentence in juvie, with some following 'therapy'? You wanna know what's more valuable than money spent housing criminals? Innocent lives which will be sniffed out by murderous unforgiving scum...Me an M-train's thoughts aren't the 'stupid' ones here, oppossed to an 'ineffective' slap on a wrist...

No, I would be satisfied with slaughtering the offender and grilling the body for a giant feast. Jail time is nothing for "murderous unforgiving scum". How about burning them alive? Or, slow dismemberment? Why are we going easy on these kids with jail time? Let's push for a public stoning? Skin them alive? Feed them to 120 starving hounds? You pick. I'm on board.

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If you are too lenient with these murdering kids, this country will go to hell in a handbasket; With young criminals taking total advantage of an unjust system. Most know right from wrong, so I don't buy that 'brain development hasn't matured, so give them a slap on the wrist'.

Funny, how you "don't buy" that children are not yet adults. Tell me more about your insight.

This must mean you have a lot of faith and trust in young kids to make very capable "adult" decisions. Maybe Chris Hansen had it all wrong and nambla has it all right? I'm sure you are more than willing to let a child/teenager manage any number of "adult" responsibilities.

I'm a bit surprised by your responses. I figured you would be of the mindset that kids don't know any better and that they need strong adult influences to guide them in the right path.

I thought you would think that in order for a kid to grow up to be a successful adult they need clear direction and guidance from respectable elders.

I guess I was wrong since you "don't buy" that a child's brain is not the same as an adults.



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Re: Children in Prison: Chat With Hank Coxe and Gray Thomas
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2014, 05:51:57 AM »
I'm sure you are more than willing to let a child/teenager manage any number of "adult" responsibilities.

Not murdering someone is an 'adult responsibility' okay....

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2014, 06:54:08 AM »
This is what Mr Coxe said...

 "Hank Coxe:  You have to be careful that you're not mixing two totally separate issues here. No one is saying that a fifteen-year-old is not responsible for what the fifteen year old did. No one is saying that the twelve-year old doesn't understand right from wrong. The issue is how does the criminal justice system treat them "
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