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When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« on: April 04, 2008, 05:00:00 AM »
When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?



Over the last several weeks we have witnessed two Transit Oriented Developments (TODs) announced by the private sector.  Interestingly enough, neither development featured JTA's planned Bus Rapid Transit System, despite a decade of planning.  Instead, both developers chose to feature potential rail corridors.

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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 07:51:16 AM »
You have to hand it to the developers of these two projects for looking at infill sites close to downtown and for actually putting something behind the "town" in the Town Center concept with residential over retail.  I agree that any mention of BRT in these proposals would be more of a liability than an asset - developers are aware that their market demography thinks of buses in the same category as dental visits, taxes, and waiting in line at the DMV.

As for the skyway extension, why the heck not!  The only thing that made the skyway a boondoggle (besides the construction rip-off factor) was that it goes nowhere!  An extension to an actual destination could be just the thing that is needed to get ridership up.  Skyways are a great concept for urban-core transportation because they don't require large footprints that interfere with existing corridors.  I had hoped for the same thing along the Brooklyn development corridor but apparently most people in JAX think of the skyway as a bedpan that is better ignored rather than a transportation strategy that could actually work.

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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 09:40:48 AM »
While I don't think it would happen, I have no problem with the extension (assuming that the cost is not astronomical).

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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 10:36:08 AM »
Will the new Kings Avenue Station development prevent or at least impede any further extension of the Skyway in that direction?

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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 10:44:29 AM »
Will the new Kings Avenue Station development prevent or at least impede any further extension of the Skyway in that direction?

No - there is a small corridor between the buildings and garage:

http://www.ervinlovettmiller.com/project/kings-avenue-station

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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 11:01:10 AM »
Mr. Miller it is time for the JTA to get on the train. Jacksonville citizens think so, our city council thinks so and apparently so do the private developers. All Aboard is the call and it is past time to answer.
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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 10:50:00 PM »
Will the new Kings Avenue Station development prevent or at least impede any further extension of the Skyway in that direction?

Naw, I was at that site a few weeks ago. The construction didn't go that far back. Matter fact even with the stacks of supplies it still did not get in the way of where a 2 monorail tracks could go. If you get a chance check it out. The tracks could wind behind that walkway thing they have over there.
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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 11:09:36 PM »
Damn mybad Steve I just read that you said what I said...DOH!!

Man these 2 developments are gonna be a good look if they both get built. I really hope this happens for Jacksonville. Jacksonville deserves this type of set up. Plus you got the Kings Avenue Hotels that is actually in the building process so Kings Avenue Station is gonna get a lot of fares. Jefferson and Convention Center will also get many fares if the Bay Street Station project gets built.

Google: Riverside Skyway Station

I was told about this by a buddy of mine so I googled it. I know some have an issue with the Skyway being in Riverside and Springfield but I feel if they do expand, JTA should stay consistent and not do that trolley thing. Here were I live they have heavy rail trains stations in historic areas and it works. It doesn't ruin the history or become an eye soar.

I doubt JTA is going to go through with that BRT plan. They may probably never Officially address the change of plans but just do the right thing.
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Re: When will JTA provide the 'T' in TOD?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 12:13:55 AM »


I still think it's ugly, but what the heck, sort of like a 3 legged hound dog, I've grown fond of our "Galloping Gander".

Jackson Square, is just what our bastard-child-of-the-transit-world needs. Add this anchor to the South end of the Skyway, and make sure the San Marco Station is WEST of the tracks. This little monorail could finally get the chance to prove it's self to us. 4 car trains anyone? Get that thing OVER (NOT UNDER) I-95 and show those bound for Epcot that we are WAY ahead of them. "Uh, say Martha, what was the name of that cool city where that monorail train went over the freeway? Would THAT be a cool place to expand or what?"

With enough "push" from the developer and $$ side, perhaps we could get JTA and the City to wake up and FINISH THE SKYWAY!

At least to a logical set of terminals. Would they be?

Jackson Square
Rosa Parks
Stadium
Blue Cross/Fidelity
Union Station/Bay Street Station

This is getting interesting, I want to take a look at the models of these and see how they size up.


Headed to Gateway Mall... Oh yes it could!

Add to this regular commuter rail trains running on the FEC and the CSX "A" line, with a couple of Baldwin, Gainesville, or Fernandina Runs thrown in... Plus streetcars in the core, that use parts of the old F and J line to reach the NW side of the City, Panama Park, Moncrief and we'd have a real transit system without the costs of heavy rail.

and now something from JTA...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...


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