Skyway + Brooklyn + Fire Station 5 = URBAN DYNAMO

[Metro Jacksonville]

Skyway + Brooklyn + Fire Station 5 = URBAN DYNAMO



Metro Jacksonville’s Robert Mann has developed a potential solution for the preservation of Brooklyn’s Fire Station 5 and the Skyway’s overall image. Here is a look into what he believes can become an urban dynamo.


Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-jul-skyway-brooklyn-fire-station-5-urban-dynamo

[Noone]

Public, Private, Partnership
All Aboard!

[JayBird]

Great article Ock and thanks to Jason for the visuals, I always believe that people are more apt to understand and pass on information and plans they can actually see. Definetly good to see some fresh ideas going to JTA. Hopefully someone will start looking.

As much as I see the need for and benefits of a regional transit center, I actually hope this option is brought to fruition before the $180M behemoth across McCoys Creek.

[acme54321]

Looks cool.  The only question I have is how would this station layout allow for future expansion into Riverside?

[thelakelander]

Streetcars, commuter rail, and BRT are the modes that may possibly penetrate or serve certain areas of Riverside in the future. I highly doubt the Skyway ever gets south of I-95 on that side of the river.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Looks great but, ____________

[Ocklawaha]

If you take a look at this,  it actually proposes a route that parallels Riverside to Forest, then works over to Roselle and turns north to terminate at Annie Lytle. Just an idea, however I tend to like it.  Not only does it reuse a historical building nicely, but it also allows for further infill in a constantly growing area (Riverside).

This was our first reuse/TOD/transit center idea.

This idea actually proposes a route that runs from Riverside to Roselle the runs south into the Annie Terminal. Cross-overs to allow routes to switch would be just north of the Annie property where the tracks would converge.

[Sunbeam]

NO!
The Transportation Element of the Comprehensive Plan requires substantial growth of the area BEFORE any money is spent on the Skyway to Riverside and there is not substantial growth and two apartment buildings does not make it so!

JTA has years of waste and fraud and connections with the "Good Ole Boy Club" and nothing about Nat Ford has changed that mentality. JTA continues run at a MAJOR loss to the tax payers while they continue to hand out raises and bonuses.

The money over the years out of our General Fund to support JTA and their failed operations is phenomenal while they continue to negotiate union and non union well endowed contracts to the highest extent possible making the tax payers cover their self centered worthlessness even more.

There still exists many incomplete projects from the BJP while the JTA pandered to Peyton and built things NEVER on the BJP or in the Comprehensive Plan. And we are supposed to trust JTA and the big heads with more money?

What is being dreamed about here is NOTHING but more ways of screwing the tax payer that will cost hundreds of millions if not a Billion dollars.

PLUS during a finance committee meeting there was a presentation to redo the Skyway to a new operating system at a severely deep cost to the tax payers and when Crescimbeni asked the company about their past experience of such an operation the Committee was told by the company JACKSONVILLE WOULD BE THE FIRST SO THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TOO.

TALK ABOUT SETTING THE CITY AND THE TAX PAYERS UP FOR FAILURE, WASTE AND ABUSE AS TEST DUMMIES.

FUNNY HOW THE WRITER NEVER TALKS ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY WILL COME FROM BUT YOU CAN BET JTA HAS THEIR EYE ON EXTENDING 30 YEAR GAS TAXES WHEN THEY ALREADY BONDED THE CURRENT ONE 10 YEARS IN ADVANCE OF IT BEING PAID OFF AND BECAUSE OF THEIR FAILURES, WASTE AND ABUSE OF THAT TAX MONEY THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NO MONEY!!

BUT BY ALL MEANS JUMP ON BOARD FOR REAMING OF THE TAX PAYER.

WHY NOT MENTION THE DESIRE BY SOME PEOPLE TO GET A NEW CONVENTION CENTER BUILT AND HAVE THE SKYWAY RUN RIGHT THROUGH IT...OH YES, THE BIG HEADS HAVE PLANS THAT WILL COST MEGA MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS ALL BY A COMPANY THAT WORKS ONLY FOR THEMSELVES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TAX PAYER.

GET INFORMED PEOPLE!!!!

[JayBird]

I think someone left the backdoor open bc it seems there have been a lot of trolls on the boards this past week.  Must be the July 1st summer session letting out.  Perhaps us taxpayers should pool together our pocket change and get a new lock.

[JayBird]

This idea actually proposes a route that runs from Riverside to Roselle the runs south into the Annie Terminal. Cross-overs to allow routes to switch would be just north of the Annie property where the tracks would converge.

Thanks for the correction Ock, when I posted that I wasn't sure of original route, saw something that it transiting May to get to Roselle.  Either way, still a good solid plan that I think would become the busiest portion of the SkyWay system.

[I-10east]

I think someone left the backdoor open bc it seems there have been a lot of trolls on the boards this past week.

There may be some, although IMO just because a person is offering a differing opinion, that doesn't equal to being a 'troll'. Not unless we want MJ to be like a boring communist country, with all on one accord at all times.

[Overstreet]

Ocklawaha.........Can the skyway make a short radius 90 degree turn?

[spuwho]

Interesting proposal.

The station would require acquisition of private property.  It appears the owner of the building that houses Johnny's, owns that backlot that supports the station proposal.

I don't agree with moving the fire station. I am for preservation, but the historical significance of that station is very, very small. I could think of some more significant lots in Springfield, or downtown that have more preservation value than the old fire station. I would let it fall.

I would build the station right over Forest Street and let the buses loop through the vacant lot on the corners. MJ posted a good article earlier about how good urban design takes advantage of its available space, like the Chicago CTA building stations above streets where possible.  Keep it simple.

I like the big vision of the plans proposed, it is definitely something more tangible than the self serving JTA transportation center by the PO. But if something like this is going to happen, it is going to require some solid strategy from our city fathers, some that is lacking sorely right now.

[Sunbeam]

I get tired of people like the writer of the article feeding us crap and telling us its ice cream and everything will be so rosy.
JTA cant even run a bus company at a profit but we are trying to be sold on the fact we need to give them more and more money so they can continue to screw the tax payer even more when it comes to failing deals like the Skyway of which is not even done being paid for. JTA sold the community on how much money it would make and it never has BUT now its free and no revenue is being collected AND just who do you think has to cover that loss of revenue? JTA? NOT!!! They continually run at a loss we the tax payers cover annually.
JTA is nothing but a self serving Authority that looks out for themselves and will go to any length to lie to try and justify their existence as a transportation company.

Their failed track record speaks for itself but the writer wants us ALL to bow down and allow them to screw us again.

NO WAY! Not without a fight!

[tufsu1]

I think someone left the backdoor open bc it seems there have been a lot of trolls on the boards this past week.

There may be some, although IMO just because a person is offering a differing opinion, that doesn't equal to being a 'troll'. Not unless we want MJ to be like a boring communist country, with all on one accord at all times.

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