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Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« on: June 25, 2013, 03:02:54 AM »
Southside Construction Update - June 2013



A brief look at the status of various projects under construction in and around Jacksonville's Edge City, the Southside.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 09:16:59 AM »
I wonder if all of these new units under construction will have a negative effect on older areas of town and older apartment complexes.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2013, 10:02:13 AM »
Anyone have an idea of the occupancy rates at the Esplanade at the Town Center?

With that and the two new places going up right in the parking lot, it seems like you'd have a decent number of pedestrians in that area (obviously, most would be commuters for work, but there isn't much else they'd need that they can't walk to). However, it seems the density of traffic and the absurdness of vehicle accessibility requires that something has to change. Most people I know abhor driving around the TC. These aren't urban advocates or anything, it can just be a fairly miserable place to go, especially if you are a Costco member. Just seems to me that a place that people would rather avoid but go to because it has all the shops will not be sustainable. For example, I believe a Target located right off Butler, perhaps at Butler and Kernan, would be preferred by customers over slogging through the TC. I don't see Target benefiting from its location now, as if you were going to the Apple store and Target, you'd probably get in your car between the two anyway, and they're not even that far apart for the TC.

Does the TC need a better way of getting around to stay competitive? Would centralizing parking (trading parking structures for surface parking) and introducing shuttles or even a short trolley make it easier and less stressful to get around? Or will it be just fine the way it is?

And is it me or are there just too many damn trees on the Southside?  :P

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2013, 10:08:59 AM »
Also, this might be more work than it is worth, but a map of where these projects are would be super helpful. I generally know where the urban core construction is (usually because there are other things around, its on a pretty simple city grid, or it's in one of the only several commercial areas), but I have no idea where a lot of these places are (also since there are many going up and they aren't exactly unique buildings). Plus, you're so good at maps!

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 10:20:30 AM »
I agree on the whole Costco thing. Certaintly keeps me from going there as much as I did when it first opened. Which is a good thing for my wallet at least!

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM »
I agree on Costco, getting in and out of that place now is awful.  I don't use my membership nearly enough.  Almost makes me think about switching to BJ's

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 10:48:40 AM »
There is only two stores at Town Center, REI and West Marine. Both are walking distance from each other.  Maybe it's just the young and lost that wander from store to store.  OR others have similar limited shopping patterns.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2013, 10:50:02 AM »
I'm a CostCo member, and I have no problem getting in and out of there. Coming from the Westside, in the JTB off ramp right lane, turn left then cautiously merge right, then turn right towards CostCo bingo! It's even easier if you live on the Southside IMO.
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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2013, 11:02:51 AM »
Also, this might be more work than it is worth, but a map of where these projects are would be super helpful. I generally know where the urban core construction is (usually because there are other things around, its on a pretty simple city grid, or it's in one of the only several commercial areas), but I have no idea where a lot of these places are (also since there are many going up and they aren't exactly unique buildings). Plus, you're so good at maps!

Thanks.  A map would take some time to create initially but once complete, would be easy to update each month. I could probably do one for the urban core as well.  I have some fires to put out this week but I'll try and include them with next month's updates.
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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2013, 11:10:12 AM »
I'm a CostCo member, and I have no problem getting in and out of there. Coming from the Westside, in the JTB off ramp right lane, turn left then cautiously merge right, then turn right towards CostCo bingo! It's even easier if you live on the Southside IMO.

It's  as simple as 1-2-3!  Yippee!

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2013, 11:13:27 AM »
Is it just me or is Aloft taking a longgg time?  Was this a waterproofing issue that was never addressed, or is it structural?  How does that construction have to be to take a full year or more to correct only a year or two after initial construction?
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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2013, 12:47:41 PM »
Is it just me or is Aloft taking a longgg time?  Was this a waterproofing issue that was never addressed, or is it structural?  How does that construction have to be to take a full year or more to correct only a year or two after initial construction?

Yeah, pretty sure it was something rather serious. Also wonder how well that hotel was doing before, and whether they are in any rush to get it back operating.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »
Anyone have an idea of the occupancy rates at the Esplanade at the Town Center?

With that and the two new places going up right in the parking lot, it seems like you'd have a decent number of pedestrians in that area (obviously, most would be commuters for work, but there isn't much else they'd need that they can't walk to). However, it seems the density of traffic and the absurdness of vehicle accessibility requires that something has to change. Most people I know abhor driving around the TC. These aren't urban advocates or anything, it can just be a fairly miserable place to go, especially if you are a Costco member. Just seems to me that a place that people would rather avoid but go to because it has all the shops will not be sustainable. For example, I believe a Target located right off Butler, perhaps at Butler and Kernan, would be preferred by customers over slogging through the TC. I don't see Target benefiting from its location now, as if you were going to the Apple store and Target, you'd probably get in your car between the two anyway, and they're not even that far apart for the TC.

Does the TC need a better way of getting around to stay competitive? Would centralizing parking (trading parking structures for surface parking) and introducing shuttles or even a short trolley make it easier and less stressful to get around? Or will it be just fine the way it is?

I do think they'll need to do something, whether that means strategic road accesses or a trolley. I don't have any complaints personally when I head to the town center, but I'd imagine at certain hours (especially when these units are occupied) it will be unbearable. Especially having to do it multiple times a day. 

BTW, I used to have a negative view of these developments, thinking not only would the infrastructure not be able to handle the influx, but that it would also aesthetically appear ridiculous and probably not add much pedestrian environment to the area. I think I was wrong on those last two counts...after seeing it personally the other day, the developments look like they will fit in fairly nicely and bring a lot of life to the area. But you're gonna have to have lots of cash to burn living next door to Seasons 52, Capital Grille, Mitchell's Fish Market, J Alexander's, Louis Vuitton, etc haha.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2013, 01:24:08 PM »
I'm at work so I can't post it again, but there are 3 potential garages on the site plan for SJTC. Go to the markets at town center website and find the regional map. There is an aerial plan of that whole complex with dashed lines and labels for the garages. IMO, they should put in a garage with retail by target, behind urban Outfitters, and up by Costco, shut down parking directly in front of the shops and put more restaurants with patio seating in there, and run a fixed rail circulator around the complex. In my opinion that would give the place some real staying power.

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Re: Southside Construction Update - June 2013
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2013, 01:33:44 PM »
BTW, I used to have a negative view of these developments, thinking not only would the infrastructure not be able to handle the influx, but that it would also aesthetically appear ridiculous and probably not add much pedestrian environment to the area. I think I was wrong on those last two counts...after seeing it personally the other day, the developments look like they will fit in fairly nicely and bring a lot of life to the area. But you're gonna have to have lots of cash to burn living next door to Seasons 52, Capital Grille, Mitchell's Fish Market, J Alexander's, Louis Vuitton, etc haha.

I'm somewhat on the same page. It seems like the popularity of this suburban (with somewhat contrived urban elements) area is pushing it in a more urban direction. There's certainly a lot of asphalt and retention ponds, but if they don't look out, they're going to end up turning some asphalt into structures and become a little mall city. Aside from a total lack of park/greenspace, The Esplanade probably has one of the highest walkscores in the city. That is, if you can survive getting in and out of your "driveway."

That said, when built 5000 Town will be bounded by JTB, 295, a retention pond, and two grass plots, at least one of which will be a surface parking lot. Its not the best scenery ever.
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