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I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« on: May 07, 2013, 02:07:21 AM »
I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled



The Florida Department of Transportation has scheduled a public information workshop to discuss proposed improvements to the I-95 / SR 202 (J. Turner Butler Boulevard) interchange.  Here is a look at FDOT's proposed Interim and Ultimate improvements, neither of which include a multimodal component to strengthen connectivity in Southpoint.

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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-may-i-95jtb-interchange-public-workshop-scheduled

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 10:27:17 AM »
Looks pretty much the same

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 11:27:16 AM »
So will the SB to EB flyover be tolled?

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 11:52:31 AM »
^ no

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 12:35:56 PM »
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 01:06:44 PM »
^ umm...that's the same argument folks use as to why they shouldn't have to pay for transit....and believe me, far more people use / pass-thru that interchange daily than ride transit here....and that would likely still be the case even if we had a full-scale rail system

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 01:52:28 PM »
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!


I don't have kids, why should I pay for public school?

I have plenty of food, why should I pay for food stamps?

I don't ride a horse, why should I pay for the equestrina center?

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 02:44:28 PM »
If the abutment to the 95 bridge where it passes over JTB were changed from a slanted/angled to a vertical wall (such as Roosevelt at Edgewood) There would be enough room for a BRT lane or bike trail.

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 04:44:10 PM »
If the abutment to the 95 bridge where it passes over JTB were changed from a slanted/angled to a vertical wall (such as Roosevelt at Edgewood) There would be enough room for a BRT lane or bike trail.

And  hey why not add a bridge (tolled?) over the rail connecting Old Kings Rd S., Powers Ave., to Butler, Philips, & I 95?

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-jun-jtas-plans-for-i-95jtb-interchange-shortsighted

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/gallery/12460248_9FyAn#!i=892391468&k=KKgcw&lb=1&s=A

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/overview/policy_accom.cfm


What ever happened to the article and accompanying pictorial / artist rendering of proposed multifamily at a possible rail station?

I look forward to having a few questions answered June 3.

again, Thanks MJ

 
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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 08:54:31 PM »
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!

Hopefully somebody at City Council is going to read this. Allow me to shift this conversation temporarily to the "high costs" of Light Rail compared to this or any other highway.

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When it comes to public subsidies, Twin Cities light rail seems a bargain

Before diving into the numbers, you have to know that taxes subsidize every form of transportation — even walking. Sure, you bought the shoes and own the feet, but the government of the town you live in built the sidewalks, roads and paths you use — and repairs them. Unless you pay a fee that covers the expense every time you walk down the street to the grocery store, your travel is being subsidized.

System (2008)   Subsidy per
passenger/trip
Urban buses, local   $2.17
Suburban buses, local   $4.98
Express bus   $2.48
Light rail   $1.44

So the issue isn't what is subsidized — everything is. The question is: How much goes to which form of transportation? The table at right shows how things shake out among different types of transit.

Another report, this one from the Office of the Legislative Auditor, compared the efficiency of the Twin Cities LRT to systems in other cities.  And, you'll be happy to know that we ranked fourth on subsidy per passenger. That is to say, only three other cities, Denver (98 cents), Portland ($1.35) and San Diego (82 cents) spent less than our $1.44. Pittsburgh paid the highest subsidy, $5.22. Fares provided 38 percent of the cost in the Twin Cities. Only Denver and San Diego did better, and fares in Seattle covered only 5 percent of outlays.

Your next question is going to be: How does that compare with driving?

After sweating over my calculator for a couple of hours, I realized that there's no easy way to calculate that. But using my own form of goofy-nomics, here's what I came up with.

From a report done by the University of Minnesota called "The Full Cost of Transportation in the Twin Cities Region" (PDF),  I learned that in 1998, state and local governments spent upward of $1.5 billion on roads and highways. Using an inflation calculator, I updated that to 2010 (the furthest I could go) and came up with a figure of $2.04 billion in government expenditures, give or take.

Divide that by 365 days, and you see that governments spends $5.59 million per day fixing and paving all those roads.

Back in 1998, Twin Cities metro drivers covered 71 million miles a day. Interpolating that with the report's projections for 2020 gave me 89.8 million miles. I subtracted 15 percent of that to cover all the transit riders and was left with 76.3 million miles.

According to the report, Twin Cities drivers averaged about 32 miles per trip. I upped that to 35 for no other reason than that we have more sprawl than we had 14 years ago and probably drive a little bit further. After dividing trips into miles, it turns out that Twin Cities drivers make 2.18 million trips a day. That sounds like a lot, but remember, many people take at least two trips a day, to go to and from work. And just think of all the grocery shopping, child pick-ups, medical appointments, van deliveries and so on, and the number starts to seem reasonable.

OK, so then you take the number of trips per day (2.18 million) and divide it into the daily cost of $5.59 million, and you get $2.56. That's about how much tax money goes to subsidize the average car trip.

I didn't include all the money drivers spend to buy, insure, maintain and gas up their rides. For those depressing cost of ownership numbers, you can consult Consumer Reports.

With all that, you have to come to the conclusion that light rail isn't such a bad deal after all.

SOURCE:  http://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2012/06/when-it-comes-public-subsidies-twin-cities-light-rail-seems-bargain
Metro Area Transit Twin Cities Urban Affairs
AUTHOR: Marlys Harris

A Minnesota native, Marlys Harris has been an investigative reporter and editor with specialties in consumer protection and finance for Money Magazine and Consumer Reports. She has a master's degree in urban planning. Cityscape is supported by grants from the McKnight Foundation and the Central Corridor Funders Collaborative.

Once this goes public, I can just imagine as arch enemies of public transit and rail in particular, Wendall Cox and Randal O'Toole, are going to pull their hair out. ;D
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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 12:30:33 PM »
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!


I don't have kids, why should I pay for public school?

I have plenty of food, why should I pay for food stamps?

I don't ride a horse, why should I pay for the equestrian center?




Transit is public, everyone has the option to ride if they want. I don't have the option to drive.

Children are our future, If we don't pay for education, we'll all be screwed.

We should not have had to pay for the equestrian center, But it is a venue that we can all use; except of me and others like me that have to rely on the bus.

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 09:06:45 PM »
One of these days I'm going to login to metrojax and see an article in transit about how JTA is making changes to the public transit to make it more efficient... yea and pigs will fly, Ocklawaha will denounce rail in favor of 6 lane expressways and generally the world will be ending in the next 5 minutes and all that.  Not a dig at Metrojax I love your reporting, just a dig at JTA and their neverending "wait and see" attitude even with "Dynamic new leadership"...

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 09:11:59 PM »
Isn't JTA out of the picture on this project now?  It appears this is now FDOT's baby. It will be paid with cash that magically appeared in the last few months.
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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 10:58:56 PM »
correct...and more magic money is on the way...stay tuned

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Re: I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 11:26:14 PM »
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-feb-a-vision-for-jacksonvilles-southside

^this was the topic of conversation over dinner.

more magic money you say?  What leaves me wondering what the future holds for this area is the large expanse of unused ROW b/w US1 and I95.