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Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« on: April 16, 2013, 03:10:37 AM »
Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?



In an email to Metro Jacksonville, a concerned follower shares work of Dan Gilbert in downtown Detroit and ponders if Jacksonville needs someone similar to step up locally.

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 04:49:57 AM »
It's just too bad Fred Durst is not raking it in like he used to...

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 06:09:31 AM »
It stands to reason that the Detroit city government is not the source of this success.  Detroit is lucky to have some one so committed. 

I don't think a Sugar Daddy is required, but it definitely makes it easier and quicker to turn around a DT/urban core.  A  mayor (Joe Riley) isn't a real sugar daddy either.

One thing of note though, is it takes more than just having a sugar daddy.  The sugar daddy still has to apply sound principles in the execution. 

Spartanburg SC has had a sugar daddy or two for it's DT, but it has mainly lead to pedestrian unfriendly (though attractive) office buildings.  This less than ideal execution has lead to less than ideal results.  Spartanburg's equivalent of Hemming Plaza, called Morgan Square, is active retail/restaurants on one side but dead-zone office building on the other.  There is no reason it had to be that way.   
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 06:13:06 AM »
I wouldn't write off Shad Khan as Jax's sugar daddy just yet. Sure the Trio unveiling got delayed, but I don't have the feeling that it's gonna be cancelled. I rather properly work out kinks with a delay, then to rush it only for the sake of a big event (One Spark).
« Last Edit: April 16, 2013, 02:29:30 PM by I-10east »

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 06:48:41 AM »
Lets get back to singles baseball and start recognizing good hits rather  then stolen bases that had the umpire (lawyer) (judge) (board) (city council) (Authority) get it wrong and ultimately lose the city for us.

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 10:33:48 AM »
No!  Nobody is going to save inner city Jacksonville with our present council in the way.  If we were to replace even 5 members with people slightly smart, we might make progress. 
That being said, I am sure a sugar daddy wouldn't hurt, as long as moves can be made.  At this time, our council would just stop anything he or she proposed to do. 

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 11:01:07 AM »
I've been saying for years that Jax needs a sugar daddy.  It needs more of everything, more local developers, more local smart guys, more local eccentric voices of influence, etc.

Detroit isn't the only city with a sugar daddy, though it's one of the few good ingredients up there.  I think every city has a sugar daddy to an extent, the successful ones to a large extent.  Not novel.  The mentality in Jax seems to be "what can the city do for me" or "can I live in the city yet out of the way" rather than "what can I do for the city".  Hopefully that's changing.
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 11:14:26 AM »
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Lets get back to singles baseball

I agree.  This 'swing for the fences by looking for a savior' business hasn't worked too well when the basics aren't in place first.   

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 11:24:16 AM »
Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.

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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 11:50:18 AM »
Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.

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Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.
That is the pure truth Doug, taken in tandem with poor or "non" leadership.  We may not find a Sugar Daddy, but we sure can work on finding better representation in the future as well as demanding what is right in the present. 
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 12:48:38 PM »
Ya'll are so stuck up on fixing elected leadership and getting the "basics" done first, but seriously a few of you have been leading the good fight for quite a while now (to much time and effort and emotional drain).  I think you can have both the grassroots change and see the benefit of $$$s at work.

I don't really know any city I would consider living in that doesn't have its set of sugar daddies or well capitalized development groups or eccentric business leaders (many of whom end up as the sugar daddies, obviously) who get things done.  Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Austin are the prime examples of this.  In the rising stars of the Sunbelt the voices of reason and the grassroots movements are paid attention to both by elected officials and business leaders.  That much is very true.  And each of those cities has at least one if not a few more sugar daddies (whether in individuals, corporations, or private equity funds).  Heck...the same guy as Khan for Atlanta (Alfred Blank) has easily thrown up at least $200M of his own personal cash to things in the city, and has just committed to $65M personal cash to infrastructure and community improvements in a very depressed neighborhood next to the soon to be UC new Falcons stadium in Atlanta (which he has undoubtedly committed hundreds of additional millions of dollars to through his personal balance sheet and that of the Falcons, which he is the 90% ownership interest).

As we have all seen a unanimous rally around Khan and newfound home pride revolving around the Jags, a similar figure can gin up hometown support and pride of downtown by rising to the occasion.  Doubt most in the city know who the richies are because they are so vanilla and behind the scenes, but put an eccentric developer in town (I guess like Cameron Kuhn, but someone with actual sense and experience and backing) and you'll see results, probably faster than grassroots.  I hate to say it, but Jacksonville political mentality is neanderthal...it's the most backwards I can think of for any city that's >500,000 people.  People get no say and elected officials only care about themselves and yet the general population hasn't put an end to it yet (so do they not care?).

I do hate to say this, as well, and while we have all seen the big houses and know some of the stories behind some people in the city, there really isn't that much wealth in NE FL.  I'm sure I'll get arguments, but that is also a reality that faces and perhaps sets back the area.  Wealthy in NE FL is $10M in highly liquid personal assets, which is enough to put a person in an oceanfront or riverfront home in the area and make a few $50K contributions here and there, but there aren't a lot of big bucks.  Detroit, while a f**king shithole by all accounts, has BIG bucks remaining out in the N/NW suburbs (aka a bevy of billionaires and hundreds of people worth hundreds of millions still residing in the area).  Even Nashville has some pretty darn big bucks, and it's evident nowadays...these $$$s are being thrown at the city right and left by individuals, some of whom are pretty eccentric and fun and well known by the general population and respected by all.
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 12:51:30 PM »
Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.

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Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.
That is the pure truth Doug, taken in tandem with poor or "non" leadership.  We may not find a Sugar Daddy, but we sure can work on finding better representation in the future as well as demanding what is right in the present. 

Jacksonville is the least collective city I think I know.  That is part of the problem.  Sure MetroJacksonville community and friends of MetroJacksonville are pretty collective, but the general population is apathetic at best and anti-growth and anti-progress per the norm.  I would think a local business leader or well capitalized developer who wants to join the forray of urban development (maybe a Hallmark) would have interests very much aligned with the MetroJacksonville community...growth, progress, change would benefit both parties.  If they have the dollars and are willing to listen to the people and do something (as in other cities), then I say bring on the sugar daddies.
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 01:05:53 PM »
Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.

+1
Sugar Daddy?  Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I would rather see us grow by way of collective effort.  We have enough problems trying to overcome the influences of a select few.
That is the pure truth Doug, taken in tandem with poor or "non" leadership.  We may not find a Sugar Daddy, but we sure can work on finding better representation in the future as well as demanding what is right in the present. 

Jacksonville is the least collective city I think I know.  That is part of the problem.  Sure MetroJacksonville community and friends of MetroJacksonville are pretty collective, but the general population is apathetic at best and anti-growth and anti-progress per the norm.  I would think a local business leader or well capitalized developer who wants to join the forray of urban development (maybe a Hallmark) would have interests very much aligned with the MetroJacksonville community...growth, progress, change would benefit both parties.  If they have the dollars and are willing to listen to the people and do something (as in other cities), then I say bring on the sugar daddies.
A couple of thoughts on your last statement.  :)  I have come to believe that one of the greatest hurdles Jacksonville faces in regard to collective effort has a great deal to do with our countywide size which places our citizenship across a broad divide of political persuasions and interests.  To the point of folks will dollars leading the way in Jacksonville there is another rub here and it can really chafe.  That is the competition between folks with some degree of wealth and power.  Very often they compete with each other to complete the agenda's they most value, personal and otherwise as well as a long standing competition for political power in order to use that influence later.  Evidence of the political competition was made quite clear during the last campaign for mayor when we saw the influence of the wealthy spread across a number of candidates from the same party.
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 01:17:23 PM »
I have come to believe that one of the greatest hurdles Jacksonville faces in regard to collective effort has a great deal to do with our countywide size which places our citizenship across a broad divide of political persuasions and interests.  To the point of folks will dollars leading the way in Jacksonville there is another rub here and it can really chafe.  That is the competition between folks with some degree of wealth and power.  Very often they compete with each other to complete the agenda's they most value, personal and otherwise as well as a long standing competition for political power in order to use that influence later.  Evidence of the political competition was made quite clear during the last campaign for mayor when we saw the influence of the wealthy spread across a number of candidates from the same party.
^How does this differ from other consolidated cities such as Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis or cities with expansive boundaries like San Diego, Charlotte, Memphis and Oklahoma City?
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Re: Does Downtown Jacksonville Need A Sugar Daddy?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 01:36:16 PM »
I have come to believe that one of the greatest hurdles Jacksonville faces in regard to collective effort has a great deal to do with our countywide size which places our citizenship across a broad divide of political persuasions and interests.  To the point of folks will dollars leading the way in Jacksonville there is another rub here and it can really chafe.  That is the competition between folks with some degree of wealth and power.  Very often they compete with each other to complete the agenda's they most value, personal and otherwise as well as a long standing competition for political power in order to use that influence later.  Evidence of the political competition was made quite clear during the last campaign for mayor when we saw the influence of the wealthy spread across a number of candidates from the same party.
^How does this differ from other consolidated cities such as Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis or cities with expansive boundaries like San Diego, Charlotte, Memphis and Oklahoma City?
I can't speak to those cities Ennis because I do not know the "inner" political workings or "personality" of those cities if you will.  I can only reference what I feel to be the case in Jacksonville.  There are many cities around the country that share similarities with ours but I don't know that they share the mindset of our citizens.  ;)
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