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Losing Springfield Plastics
« on: April 15, 2013, 03:32:42 AM »
Losing Springfield Plastics



Springfield Plastics, built in 1922 and located on small commercial strip of Pearl Street, has become a building in need of protection.   Its story is the same with many commercial properties in Springfield -- once proud structures which provided jobs and products for the neighborhood, now stand vulnerable and in danger of being lost.


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Re: Losing Springfield Plastics
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 07:29:23 AM »
Whatever's left of mom & pop (that hasn't been shipped overseas for pennies on the dollar), policies like this deliver the fatal blow.

I guess they'll still making room for that Starbucks & Panera. Any day now, guys.

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 09:07:59 AM »
There certainly are better ways to deal with issues like these.  Just as there has been a great deal of help mothballing house, this should be no different.  The goal should be to keep business, not run them into the ground, and be the final blow.

If the city can't identify the specific issues that need to be resolved, other than 'entire structure' they are not doing their job.  This is stupid.  There should be a specific list, along with priority, and along with what would be necessary to keep the business running or open as repairs are being made. 

Years ago I was building a large greenhouse, and had all of the wind load, and structural information.   No one in the building department could ever tell me specifically (like a check list) what additional was necessary to get the permit issued.  Back and forth between departments, you need this, now you don''t go here, go there, etc.   I finally paid a general contractor friend of mine over $250 to get it worked out.

This situation is too much like the earlier issues with many other properties in Springfield that were condemned for a leaky roof, or other minor issues.

Really sad.

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 10:10:19 AM »
This is ridiculous. Entire structure. Really code enforecment?!?!

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 10:12:20 AM »
If the rot is at the windows I suspect he has water intrusion issues. If the wall "bows" structural issues. If he has a fabrication shop in the lower level and a residence in the upper level I suspect he has usage code issues and fire rating seperation issues.    He needs an architect/engineer to define the problem(s) and recommend solutions. Expecting the city to do that will cause problems not solve them.

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Re: Losing Springfield Plastics
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 11:11:12 AM »
Having not been involved with code violation issues, I would have thought the city would be specific, rather than vague.  I wish Springfield and the owner the best of luck. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 02:31:57 PM »
Tom is filing an appeal this afternoon. He is asking for 60 days to make repairs. He is also asking for a specific list

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Re: Losing Springfield Plastics
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 03:12:01 PM »
What is so remarkable about this building that it needs to be saved?
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Re: Losing Springfield Plastics
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 03:45:04 PM »
What's so remarkable that it must be condemned and torn down? From what I can tell, there are a few factors in its favor for not bringing out the wrecking ball.

1. It's a part of the historic mixed use building fabric of Springfield.

2. It appears to also have a viable long time local business in there with the potential of housing above it.

3. On top of that, it appears the owner wants to find a way to save the structure.   
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2013, 03:59:46 PM »
What's so remarkable that it must be condemned and torn down? From what I can tell, there are a few factors in its favor for not bringing out the wrecking ball.

1. It's a part of the historic mixed use building fabric of Springfield.

2. It appears to also have a viable long time local business in there with the potential of housing above it.

3. On top of that, it appears the owner wants to find a way to save the structure.
If the walls are buckling, the building is in bad shape and a potential hazard.  The hearing allows the owner to address these issues. 

No reason the property cannot stay mixed use.

Why should your second point save the building from condemnation?  What should that matter?

Of course the owner wants to try to find a way to save the structure.  Who wouldn't.  Why has he not taken action to date?




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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2013, 04:09:18 PM »
My point is why talk demolition.  That seems like a last resort after all other avenues have been addressed and appear unfeasible.  It doesn't seem like we've gotten that far already.
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2013, 04:12:20 PM »
My point is why talk demolition.  That seems like a last resort after all other avenues have been addressed and appear unfeasible.  It doesn't seem like we've gotten that far already.
What are the other avenues?
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2013, 04:14:51 PM »
Perhaps, fixing the buckling wall?  That's cheaper than demolishing and rebuilding the entire structure from scratch.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2013, 04:18:52 PM »
Perhaps, fixing the buckling wall?  That's cheaper than demolishing and rebuilding the entire structure from scratch.
Can the owner afford to do it?  I figured that was the point of issuing him a notice - fix the damn building you own.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2013, 04:19:46 PM »
So if he can't fix it, pay more to tear it down?
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