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A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« on: October 31, 2012, 08:48:30 AM »
A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans



Metro Jacksonville takes a look at the conceptual design plans for Brooklyn's proposed Riverside YMCA project.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 09:10:07 AM »
I was upset when I saw the massive parking lot along Riverside Ave. I feel a bit better that there is a plan for future street development and a parking garage.
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 09:20:27 AM »
I was upset when I saw the massive parking lot along Riverside Ave. I feel a bit better that there is a plan for future street development and a parking garage.

Well.....depends how far in the "future" the street development happens
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 10:08:00 AM »
That's just a ploy that developers use to get around the city requirements.  I think the design approval should be contingent upon the Y issuing an RFP for the development of the front of the site.  Otherwise, it will be at least a decade before we see anything go up on Riverside Ave.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 10:23:36 AM »
^That's an interesting proposal Captain.  There should be a stronger method of linking design approval to what is illustrated on "future" plans.  It would be interesting to see the reaction of both the YMCA and Parador if the DDRB recommended tying their future dashed lines to issuing an RFP for those portions of the property.
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 11:13:09 AM »
IMO, the site needs to be flip-flopped.  Wouldn't they get better exposure sitting against Riverside Ave anyways?  The riverfront property will definitely appeal to a residential developer.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 11:15:05 AM »
"That's just a ploy that developers use to get around the city requirements.  I think the design approval should be contingent upon the Y issuing an RFP for the development of the front of the site.  Otherwise, it will be at least a decade before we see anything go up on Riverside Ave."

^And what if there isn't demand to develop the front of the property?  The Y can't go forward with its plans?
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 11:18:35 AM »
To build it near the street, they'd have to destroy the existing facility first, at which point they'd risk losing a large percentage of their customers to other gyms while construction is ongoing.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 11:37:49 AM »
"That's just a ploy that developers use to get around the city requirements.  I think the design approval should be contingent upon the Y issuing an RFP for the development of the front of the site.  Otherwise, it will be at least a decade before we see anything go up on Riverside Ave."

^And what if there isn't demand to develop the front of the property?  The Y can't go forward with its plans?

Its prime real estate that fronts Riverside Avenue and has river views. If there isn't demand to build on it, Jacksonville is toast.

Captain Zissou brought up a great point and one that deserves some serious consideration. The project could be approved as two phases. Phase 1 being the river portion with the YMCA, with Phase 2 being the Riverside Avenue portion. That way there could be strings attached to Phase 2, such as the issuance of an RFP within x amount of years, or a development agreement within x amount of years, or something along those lines. I deal with PUD's all the time and virtually of all of them are broken down in phases with specific performance measures on each phase.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 11:40:28 AM »
It would be strange for there to be absolutely no demand for such a parcel when every other available parcel around it has been snapped up and will be going vertical as +600 apartment units or retail within the next few months to a year.
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 11:46:44 AM »
What I really want to know is, has anyone approached the Y about making it a mixed use building with residential or even hotel uses? That is a prime spot for residential. Close to 5 points, close to DT, riverfront views, along the riverwalk, next to RAM, and so on. Plus you would have a gym and pool already in your building. The Y is already building on the land, so a developer could probably work out some creative partnership agreements that would reduce the costs for both parties by increasing the intensity of the development.

I just can't imagine developers in bigger cities letting an opportunity like that go to waste. Someone with vision AND money could make a killing in this town.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 11:51:13 AM »
It would be strange for there to be absolutely no demand for such a parcel when every other available parcel around it has been snapped up and will be going vertical as +600 apartment units or retail within the next few months to a year.

parcel next door has been vacant for many years...was being considered by Novatre prior to condo crash

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2012, 12:05:27 PM »
Does the asking price reflect the market?
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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2012, 12:12:41 PM »
As a rail transit guy, I'm likewise appalled at the huge suburban style parking lot. As a citizen or would-be developer I understand the plan, after all, those huge windows will look out on a magnificent view of the downtown skyline. If you consider the Riverwalk as a street for bikes and pedestrians and the focus being fitness, no small wonder that they are turning their back on Riverside.  Perhaps the actual floor plan calls for a pass through hall from Riverside to Riverwalk which allows the building to be double sided. I do like the Captains idea, an RFP for the balance of the property could be a game changer.

I also wonder where JTA is on this? Plans for a Skyway across Riverside, and being located on a heavy transit corridor, where is the cross walk? Signaled cross walk? Pedestrian bridge? Bus turnout? Granted that JTA is about as proactive as the Whig Party, but they SHOULD be involved, and SHOULD have a set of requirements designed by the transit side administered at the municipal level.

It would be tragic indeed to spend a year getting into great physical shape at the YMCA, only to be run over by a bus in front of the facility.

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Re: A Closer Look At Riverside YMCA's Development Plans
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2012, 01:07:20 PM »
"That's just a ploy that developers use to get around the city requirements.  I think the design approval should be contingent upon the Y issuing an RFP for the development of the front of the site.  Otherwise, it will be at least a decade before we see anything go up on Riverside Ave."

^And what if there isn't demand to develop the front of the property?  The Y can't go forward with its plans?

Its prime real estate that fronts Riverside Avenue and has river views. If there isn't demand to build on it, Jacksonville is toast.

That doesn't answer my question.  Should they be denied if they can't get a good deal on the land they own?  The Y's architectural design committee did consider selling the river side of the parcel to fund a new facility, but every expert they consulted concluded there simply was little demand at this point, especially for a MUD project on the river.  I think the fact that the Y's plan include a contingency for future development facing Riverside Avenue is a good sign.  It is a sign that they're in tune with those who want to see infill and the elimination of surface lots.