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Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« on: February 20, 2012, 03:01:10 AM »
Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor



Metro Jacksonville explores an area that has made Northern St. Johns County one of the most rapidly growing communities in the country over the last decade: County Road 210.


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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 07:23:37 AM »
Aye, the land of 2x4s and EIFS...

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 08:16:40 AM »
And just think, this all took place WITH a state growth management agency.  Now that DCA has been dismantled, I shudder to think of what will happen in the next cycle.

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 08:46:28 AM »
Lot's of former working timber lands.....Rayonier I believe.
Twelve Mile Swamp Conservation Lands purchase/Cummer Trust involved complicated development rights transfer,L.Pappas.
without going to files ,only memory but I also recall multi thousand acre tract related to Peyton's.
Citizen's Sector Plan process sealed the fate years ago.FTU careful to quote select citizen participant; to the effect,we love having all the trees but the projected growth is inevitable.

In the big picture,perhaps we really wanted,needed the 210 Growth.
Good study for future expansion assessment.

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 10:18:44 AM »
^Did north miami lose his password, or are there really two people who write like that?
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 10:25:44 AM »
Crime Rate Indexes
2010 Crime Rate Indexes   Fruit Cove,   Jacksonville,    Miami    Flemming Isle,  SR-210  River CIty Mkt Pl    United States
Total Crime Risk Index.......66....................333..........345.......17.....................86........205.......................100
Murder Risk Index.............95....................113..........443........32.....................94........201.......................100
Rape Risk Index   .............11.....................218..........149........16.....................16.........323......................100
Robbery Risk Index.............3.....................302..........701.........4........................4........375......................100
Assault Risk Index...........207....................628..........374........28....................226........178......................100
Burglary Risk Index.........139....................425...........241.........7....................154........135......................100
Larceny Risk Index............12....................329..........240........27......................13........114......................100
Motor Vehicle Theft Index..42....................260..........371..........4......................42.........172.....................100

100 being the US "average community", the above shows how much above or below the USA 'normal' a community is. For many people, this is all of the reason for living in St. Johns, Clay, Nassau, Baker,

Frankly if all 'urban sprawl' followed the examples of 210, or Julington Plantation or WGV, IE: walks, planned retail clusters, bike trails, tree and water preservation, creeks, ponds, etc...  We might not see it as such an evil. This isn't just the land of the HOA, it's the kingdom of the CDD fees. While many if not most are autocentric in scope, today more are being planned as walkable places. Palencia, for example, has an entire village easily walkable and beautiful.

As I've said before, it's all about being a choice. We'd be a insignificant metropolitan area if it were not for additions and subdivisions. The weird part of human nature is we all think it should stop right after our own house is approved. Keeping in mind that LaVilla was a suburb, as was San Marco, San Jose, Ortega, etc... Fruit Cove, Yukon, Mandarin, Switzerland, Middleburg, Marietta, New Berlin and many others were all organic villages in their own right which were overrun by the big dog.

The downside, of course is more and more of Florida is being buried under asphalt.


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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 10:52:41 AM »
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Fruit Cove, Yukon, Mandarin, Switzerland, Middleburg, Marietta, New Berlin and many others were all organic villages in their own right which were overrun by the big dog.

Mandarin died the day they changed SR13 from 2 lanes to 6 lanes. As if we could not take I-295 over to Orange Park and learn a lesson from either US17 or SR21 with their 6 lanes of hell.
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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 11:39:25 AM »
Frankly if all 'urban sprawl' followed the examples of 210, or Julington Plantation or WGV, IE: walks, planned retail clusters, bike trails, tree and water preservation, creeks, ponds, etc...  We might not see it as such an evil. This isn't just the land of the HOA, it's the kingdom of the CDD fees. While many if not most are autocentric in scope, today more are being planned as walkable places. Palencia, for example, has an entire village easily walkable and beautiful.

As I've said before, it's all about being a choice. We'd be a insignificant metropolitan area if it were not for additions and subdivisions. The weird part of human nature is we all think it should stop right after our own house is approved. Keeping in mind that LaVilla was a suburb, as was San Marco, San Jose, Ortega, etc... Fruit Cove, Yukon, Mandarin, Switzerland, Middleburg, Marietta, New Berlin and many others were all organic villages in their own right which were overrun by the big dog.

The overlooked thing mentioned in this post is to make sure all of these places are at least covering their impact's cost at the public level.  That means, evaluating them outside of their borders.  For example, when a SR 13 is widened to six lanes or a SR 9B is being built, there is a capital cost and an annual maintenance cost that will last for eternity.  By the same token, for new schools, parks, libraries, police, fire, etc. there's a capital cost associated with the structures housing them plus annual costs (salary, benefits, pensions, cars, equipment, etc.) associated with hiring public employees to operate them.  Are we for sure that the greater metropolitan area hasn't been tasked with the burden of sharing in with these additional costs? 

I for one believe that if the majority of recently built lower density development was covering its costs, our public budgets would have surpluses instead of continued deficits, considering we've been endorsing this development pattern for over fifty years now.  As long as communities are rightfully covering their costs and we're not robbing Peter to pay Paul, I'm cool with it.  However, when we can't maintain our parks, invest properly in our schools, and consider closing our public libraries, I have serious problems.
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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 05:00:24 PM »
^I'm all for choice, so long as there really is choice. Who wants a city with great suburbs, as determined by the people who live there, and a lacking urban environment? And that's besides the associated costs of building new infrastructure compared to infill.

Any new neighborhood should have all its working parts, and recent experience has made me very skeptical that this is much of a concern in these insular suburban developments.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 08:34:58 PM »
^Did north miami lose his password, or are there really two people who write like that?

north miami is taking advantage of our rules which allow you to have a different screen name so long as you decommission your original screen name.

Weve had other posters over the years attempt to reboot their reputation with a simple name change.

Sometimes it works.

Certain NM posts were certainly an element to MJ "news" placement growth.

Kickbacks- our first disagreement per your own statement,proved to be the moral seam of reputations.

I am a recovering MJer....striving to refrain!


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Simply changed computers,forgot password,might have sent Ennis or Dare an email to regain but grew tired of NM for MJ considering the area is becoming so much like my native North Miami in uncanny,predictable ways.

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »
^ thanks for the clarification

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 08:53:03 PM »
^Did north miami lose his password, or are there really two people who write like that?

north miami is taking advantage of our rules which allow you to have a different screen name so long as you decommission your original screen name.

Weve had other posters over the years attempt to reboot their reputation with a simple name change.

Sometimes it works.

Kickbacks- our first disagreement per your own statement,proved to be the moral seam of reputations.

I am a recovering MJer....striving to refrain!


Glad to see Brand recognition!
Simply changed computers,forgot password,might have sent Ennis or Dare an email to regain but grew tired of NM for MJ considering the area is becoming so much like my native North Miami in uncanny,predictable ways.

MJ is entertainment and offers some small margin of insight.

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Clearly some moderators prefer to filter some posts more than others...stay strong NM (KG), we need your insight.
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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 10:10:18 PM »
I'd think we pay for our improvements here in WGV, just our subdivision covers a square mile. We have built two new schools and two new fire stations with our CDD funds. We 'tax ourselves' about $5,000 per year per residence which is over and above a HOA fees of $100-500 monthly.

It's going to get interesting out here when gas hits that $5 dollar a gallon mark and JTA continues to fail and fumble any chance at commuter rail, or even quality motor coach.

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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 11:16:10 PM »
Does the CDD pay for the school and fire station employee salaries and pensions or is that burden shared by everyone in the county?  What's going on with the World Commerce Center these days?  That area really needs its own commercial center.
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Re: Suburban Jacksonville: County Road 210 Corridor
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 08:52:01 AM »
^i doubt those funds would cover staff, though the people who live there are clearly paying taxes. Of course they'd be paying that wherever they lived.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?