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Policy and Successful Transit Development
« on: September 27, 2011, 03:03:07 AM »
Policy and Successful Transit Development



In the early years of the 20th century, transit dominated travel in cities - and, by necessity, development was clustered near transit. In fact, transit and land use were so closely connected that private transit operators often developed real estate and used the profits to subsidize transit operations. By the close of the 20th century, however, the automobile had become the dominant means of travel in urban centers, cities with extensive transit networks were in decline, and proximity to transit was most often an afterthought in development. Once the norm in urban settings, development around transit became the exception. And, as accessibility for automobiles became the focus of development, with no regard for the location of transit, the basic principles for developing around transit fell into disuse, and were eventually lost.


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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2011, 06:45:32 AM »
Pretty slick presentation. I love the "think development when thinking about transit".  Still amazes me how many people think transit should be for profit at the fare box instead of a government service like roads.
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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2011, 07:46:59 AM »
Most cities in america were set  for decent transit until the bus took over..steets and towns were developed for rail and tolly systems...oil and auto took over the legislation and changed things forever..things got dirty and parking lots abound...not until we all start thinking about transit as we and not "me" will we be taking steps toward true successful transit..

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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 07:49:24 AM »
Most cities in america were set  for decent transit until the bus took over..steets and towns were developed for rail and tolly systems...oil and auto took over the legislation and changed things forever..things got dirty and parking lots abound...not until we all start thinking about transit as we and not "me" will we be taking steps toward true successful transit..

That thar sounds like socialism to me...

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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2011, 10:45:18 AM »

Transit Commie's, they're under your bed and in your bushes. Beware the evil conspiracy where buses will come and steal your cars, and trolleys will rule the world. 

And...Oh yeah, Garden Guy, it's 'trolley' and amazingly we agree again.

FYI y'all, Simon won't let JTA get anywhere near their malls, forcing transit to the far corner of the parking lots. At the Avenues, transit dependent customers must wait way out in the dark, and when the stores close, this is a hazard to the many employees. JTA say's their working on it, but apparently not hard enough.


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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 11:11:04 AM »
not until we all start thinking about transit as we and not "me" will we be taking steps toward true successful transit..

This is going to be the hardest thing to sell, especially here where transit was completely demolished, you have generations of car driver mindset to reverse... and hundreds of square miles of sprawl to contend with.

There needs to be several transitive steps, for the majority... even if it is managed to re-arrange zoning laws to start this kind of planning once again. It isnt like we dont have the empty spaces near downtown to launch something like this... but there is thick heads and red tape standing in the way. We need a better public transit solution... yesterday

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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 11:21:29 AM »
We're going to have to start small and advance improvements incrementally.  The good thing regarding this approach and our situation is that we're not unique.  In the last decade or two, Denver, Salt Lake City, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Norfolk, Little Rock, Tucson, St. Louis, and more have had to do the exact same thing.  So the path has always been there.  We've just got to stop talking/studying and move on to implementing.  Case in point, what's the status on the JTA privately funded bus shelter stuff?  Why is it taking years to get something so simple implemented?
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Re: Policy and Successful Transit Development
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 11:33:02 AM »
Case in point, what's the status on the JTA privately funded bus shelter stuff?  Why is it taking years to get something so simple implemented?

I have seen Bus shelters in Mandarin... very modern looking, just south of the Wal-Mart. Blank lighted spaces where ads and routes should be. I have seen others, but cannot recall off hand where.

I think the biggest thing immediately is ditch that central hub mentality, or shift to a multi-hub system, ASAP... that FEDEX mentality isnt helping IMHO