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San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« on: August 29, 2011, 03:33:44 AM »
San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report



30 years have passed since San Diego opened its first 15.9 mile starter and Jacksonville ignored Metro Jacksonville's Bob Mann's warning that the skyway would be a failure and that it should be replaced with light rail or streetcars.  Today, Jacksonville's 2.5 mile Skyway attracts less than 3,000 riders a day in a struggline downtown that has city leaders perplexed on what needs to be done to stimulate revitalization.  On the other hand, San Diego now has 53.5 miles of light rail, attracting over 91,000 riders a day and a buzzing downtown with 32,000 residents (expected to increase to 90,000 over the next decade).  Today, Metro Jacksonville takes a look at the San Diego Trolley system and suggest where successful transportation and land use policies could be implemented locally and in other peer communities across the country.

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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-aug-san-diego-trolley-30-years-later-special-report

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 08:29:09 AM »
Great report. Thanks so much for doing this. Now if we could just get Jacksonville on the right track!

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 09:32:56 AM »
and i still dont care about san diego...next subject please

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 09:43:14 AM »
why...because they don't have enough tall buildings?

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 09:46:31 AM »
and i still dont care about san diego...next subject please

Submit one that you care about and we'll consider running it on the front page.
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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 10:07:08 AM »
Jacksonville

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2011, 10:23:16 AM »
Today's article is about Jacksonville's mass transit situation.   Submit a Jacksonville specific article on a subject you're interested in and we'll consider it for the front page.  Here are a few examples of guest articles we've featured in the past that can give you some ideas.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-aug-toll-it-and-they-will-come

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-jul-make-it-happen-by-preservation-sos

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-apr-water-taxi-service-expands-to-riverside
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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »
Amen. Glad to be on the Green line b/w the Grossmont and Morena/Rio Vista TODs. Looking forward to implementation/completion of UTC and Balboa Park legs.

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 11:31:21 AM »
Didn't know you moved to San Diego.  The Green Line is pretty impressive, considering it serves a suburban corridor that has similar uses to Jax's JTB corridor.  Also, loved Balboa Park.  That space is pretty special.
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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 12:14:37 PM »
Not about Jacksonville? The abandoned rail right-of-way from Maxwell House north to Gateway Mall, and from Springfield Yard to the old Jacksonville Terminal are owned by the City of Jacksonville. Their best and brightest idea? We'll build bike trails on them, then blow another $100 million on more pavement for a Bus Rapid Transit System.

Currently one can stand at the foot of Broadway, step on a JTA bus, pay a dollar and step off at Gateway. After this massive investment in buses, one can stand at the foot of Broadway, step on a JTA bus, pay a dollar and step off at Gateway. Is it just me or does anyone else see insanity written all over this?


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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 12:56:06 PM »
It's insane.  However, if things don't change soon, they surely will come 2016.
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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2011, 06:41:58 PM »
It is interesting to read a "foreign" perspective on one's hometown. Let me say that, like you, our citizens often feel frustrated by a lack of local leadership. Our leaders require regular kicks in the a**.

It seems to me that Jacksonville needs to protect its web of railway rights of way until a future administration sees the light and decides to return rail to them. Also, the extension of your Skyway to the convention center and airport seems very logical and cost effective.

I would look at your most successful inner city neighbourhoods and try to determine why they have more vitality than other areas. Try to copy their methods of organization.

The" base hits vs. homerun" idea is a good one. I see in San Diego that all old buildings, no matter how humble, seem to be in use either commercially or residentially or both, while many buildings that were torn down and not replaced have left us with a legacy of vacant, weed strewn lots surrounded by chain link fences. Old buildings offer low cost incubator spaces that start up businesses can use. These businesses in turn re-invigorate neighbourhoods.

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2011, 09:09:13 PM »
thanks dougsd....people in Jax. often forget that folks in other cities are often concerned about the same issues...and also are striving for better leadership....perhaps its the whole "grass is greener on the other side" thing.

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 09:33:05 PM »
thanks dougsd....people in Jax. often forget that folks in other cities are often concerned about the same issues...and also are striving for better leadership....perhaps its the whole "grass is greener on the other side" thing.

Sorry, that's not what it is.

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Re: San Diego Trolley 30 Years Later: Special Report
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 10:16:34 PM »
+30,000 DT residents to Jax's 2,000?  53 miles of reliable rail service to 2.5 miles of skyway? Balboa Park vs. Hogans Creek?  In the case of urban living, its definitely not a "grass is greener" situation.  It simply is and all we can do is try to learn from it instead of making excuses to justify our failures to this point.  This is the reason, I started doing these city comparisons years ago.  They are to show how other cities have dealt with issues we currently struggle with and to potentially provide a road map of viable solutions that can be implemented in Jacksonville.
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