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Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville
« on: February 23, 2011, 04:05:42 AM »
Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville



The fallout from Rick Scott's decision to end Florida's high speed rail and Orlando's Sunrail commuter rail projects will negatively impact Jacksonville.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 07:52:29 AM »
Thank you for connecting the dots Ennis...I hope this opens up some eyes as to how rail in central Florida has a direct impact on rail here in Jax.

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 08:02:09 AM »
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The elimination of high speed rail and Sunrail will make projects like the Amtrak/FEC and local commuter rail more difficult to achieve.

Understatement.

Governor Scott throwing mud in the eye of the Administration by shunning a project our President had prioritized will make every endeavor this state undertakes with the federal government more adversarial.  Especially given the point where he is killing it to avoid letting the private sector have their say in how things should be done. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2011, 08:36:41 AM »
btw...here is the letter to the editor I mentioned a few days ago....the hope is it gets picked up by several media outlets

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/23/MEOPINO1-with-rail-we-can-help-ourselves/news-opinion-commentary/

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 08:57:09 AM »
Great article. I cant believe that Gov. Scott is for real with this. I've sent my e-mails but I feel like this guy could care less about the other 49% who didn't vote for him.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »
That was a very good letter.  Thanks for posting it.  I hope that the groups who have been working so hard for rail systems in Florida won't give up the fight.  Scott is temporary and will probably (hopefully) leave Florida as soon as his term is over.  The rest of us (hopefully) will want to stay and make something of the place for a long time.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 09:05:34 AM »
Great article. I cant believe that Gov. Scott is for real with this. I've sent my e-mails but I feel like this guy could care less about the other 49% who didn't vote for him.

51% didn't vote for him.  Scott won with a plurality not a majority.

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 09:32:47 AM »
Great article. I cant believe that Gov. Scott is for real with this. I've sent my e-mails but I feel like this guy could care less about the other 49% who didn't vote for him.

51% didn't vote for him.  Scott won with a plurality not a majority.

and that's only of those who voted...there's another 50+ percent of Floridians who sadly stayed home on Election Day!

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Re: Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 09:36:23 AM »
btw...here is the letter to the editor I mentioned a few days ago....the hope is it gets picked up by several media outlets

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/23/MEOPINO1-with-rail-we-can-help-ourselves/news-opinion-commentary/
Good read thanks for putting it out there.
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Re: Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 09:59:42 AM »
Great article. I cant believe that Gov. Scott is for real with this. I've sent my e-mails but I feel like this guy could care less about the other 49% who didn't vote for him.

51% didn't vote for him.  Scott won with a plurality not a majority.

and that's only of those who voted...there's another 50+ percent of Floridians who sadly stayed home on Election Day!

Yep!  Where were they??
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Re: Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 10:29:01 AM »
Good article. Attended HSR meetings in 2001 or 2002 and again in 2009 and I've seen how it is affecting the growth of commuter rail in Orlando and Tampa. Good work to point out the effects on the rest of us.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 11:20:28 AM »
To insinuate that moving trains from the A line will improve Blanding traffic is disingenuous to say the least.  Trains aren't what cause the backups, it is the great deal of people who want to commute from Clay county to Duval for work. 

Until we have realistic light rail and bus transportation in North Florida we will continue to have congestion.  Until the Florida cities have the infrastructure in place to move people efficiently within our cities we don't have a need to go between cities on a train.  We are too dependent on our cars to travel within our own cities.   

Under the current high-speed rail plan, please explain how people will get from the train station to their jobs?  I understand we can drive our cars to the station but what happens on the other end?  Not all jobs are going to be walking distance from the closest stop?  This underscores the need to have realistic efficient local transit before throwing endless amounts of money at connecting our Cities first.

Too many people can't see past our representatives' party affiliation to listen to the facts.   Both sides just like to attack the other's decisions.  The cost overruns argument from Scott is a legitimate one, and just because the money goes somewhere else doesn't make it bad decision for Florida.

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Re: Gov. Scott's Rail Decisions To Impact Jacksonville
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 11:24:01 AM »
After re-reading please disregard my Blanding statement, I misunderstood what was said regarding Blanding.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 11:43:26 AM »
The cost overruns may not be legitimate.  Both the private sector and the Fed have offered to look at indemnifying the state.  He is trying to circumvent the process for fear that the lemons in the current design will be made into lemonade when it is turned over to the private developers.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 11:55:47 AM »
Under the current high-speed rail plan, please explain how people will get from the train station to their jobs?  I understand we can drive our cars to the station but what happens on the other end?  Not all jobs are going to be walking distance from the closest stop?  This underscores the need to have realistic efficient local transit before throwing endless amounts of money at connecting our Cities first.

I'm glad you asked these questions.  I'll try to answer them.

1. I understand we can drive our cars to the station but what happens on the other end?  Not all jobs are going to be walking distance from the closest stop?

Like with any other transit corridor, the exact answer would depend on each station environment and final destination location desired by an individual rider.  The initial HSR line down I-4 would have a total of five stations.



Excluding walkable TOD that would eventually grow around each station location (remember infrastructure investment facilitates urban development patterns), here is how things would stack up at each location.

Downtown Tampa

The HSR station would be constructed next to the existing Marion Transit Center.  Transit users would be able to walk to downtown destinations or use a variety of local based mass transit lines already in place or expected to be in place before 2015 (the year HSR would begin operations).  Here are a few images showing existing DT Tampa streetcar and faux trolley lines, as well as Tampa's proposed BRT lines.






Lakeland

The Lakeland station site had not been officially selected when Scott pulled the plug.  City sites would have been tied in with the Citrus Connection bus system and the USF Poly site would have been located at the I-4/Polk Parkway interchange, directly adjacent to a full blown walkable university.

Walt Disney World

Walt Disney World has the most efficient transportation system in Florida.  This station would have been tied into that, providing it with direct connections to all of Disney's theme parks, attractions, hotels, retail and residential areas.

International Drive

This station site would have been next to one of the largest convention centers in the country.  Transit connections would have been through the efficiently ran I-Ride Trolley and LYNX bus system.
www.iridetrolley.com/
www.golynx.com/

Orlando International Airport

This station would have been a part of an large intermodal terminal.  From this point, a rider could transfer at the platform to Orlando's proposed Sunrail commuter rail system to access the urban core areas of central florida's cities (Kissimmee to Deland).  For areas not adjacent to this rail spine, the LYNX bus system would also tie into the terminal.





2. This underscores the need to have realistic efficient local transit before throwing endless amounts of money at connecting our Cities first.

The information above should answer this issue of planning for realistic efficient local transit that will tie in with an intercity rail line.  These communities were working to fund a number of transit lines (both local and regional) at the same time.  It now appears that a lot of that work and effort will go to waste and set them back for a generation.  In today's changing economic climate, that's not a good thing.

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Too many people can't see past our representatives' party affiliation to listen to the facts.   Both sides just like to attack the other's decisions.

I agree.  However, this article is not an attack on or from either side.  It clearly points out that we don't exist in a vacuum by highlighting specific Jacksonville desired projects that will be negatively impacted by this decision.  Up to this point, I don't believe this has been done by any of the local media.

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The cost overruns argument from Scott is a legitimate one, and just because the money goes somewhere else doesn't make it bad decision for Florida.

The overruns argument isn't a legit one because Scott never waited for the studies he requested to be completed, allowed detailed bidding to take place or even consulted with FDOT and the professionals who have been planning these projects for decades now.  Considering he doesn't have a history in transportation planning and didn't make the effort to fully vet the issue, it appears that the decision made is clearly the political one you mentioned in your response (see below).

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Too many people can't see past our representatives' party affiliation to listen to the facts.   Both sides just like to attack the other's decisions.

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