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An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« on: October 27, 2010, 03:13:09 AM »
An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown



Ever wonder why you're the only one walking down streets that were once full of life and energy around the clock? We tend to talk a great deal about revitalizing downtown, but the result of our actions and priorities over the years show another story. Metro Jacksonville presents a photo tour of the morbid scene left behind inside the walls of Downtown Jacksonville as corporate tenants continue to flee the city's once proud urban core.

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 06:34:00 AM »
So what needs to happen?
I've attended 3 DVI Board meetings.
Walkable-      Block by block.
Promised 680' Promised Downtown Public Pier-    Pier by Pier.
I'm am asking that the Board of DVI sponsor a resolution to use the pier for Public Access and Economic opportunity. The Pier is just outside the land boundry of DVI
Can the boundry of DVI be extended to include the 680' Promised Downtown Public Pier?
That is another upcoming city council and mayoral campaign issue question.
I'd say YES.
Don Redman is the city council representative that just came on board with DVI.
At the political HobNob I discussed this issue with Jack Webb and Redman. A noticed meeting on the issue was supposed to have been scheduled but then was cancelled.
The Pier is in Dist.7 councilman Gaffney and he hasn't done a thing.
Go back to the Threads about the river and this explanation of the exodus from Downtown with the banking and Insurance businesses.
There is no way in heck that I would live Downtown if the elected legislative representatives are going to continue restrictive pieces of legislation that won't allow you to Access, Promote and Celebrate our St. Johns River our American Heritage River.
 


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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 06:48:02 AM »
What needs to happen?  Compact clustering of uses, pedestrian scale connectivity and better ground level integration between buildings and the street.  DT has a ton of problems but whatever solution someone cooks up has to have these three things as the central components. 
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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 07:55:02 AM »
What needs to happen?  Compact clustering of uses, pedestrian scale connectivity and better ground level integration between buildings and the street.  DT has a ton of problems but whatever solution someone cooks up has to have these three things as the central components. 

Where are these 3 things happening in Duval county on the river, tributaries,etc that capture instead of buildings and street just substitute buildings and the river.

This should also be a central component and it was highlighted in a report for Downtown Vision by Chan Krieger and Assosciates. Connect the Northbank and Southbank.


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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 08:03:53 AM »
Not only have businesses moved to the Southside, but as the article has noted, many have left the state.

The First Union and NationsBank gobble-ups hurt almost every city on the east coast....but were a boon to Charlotte...now with First Union/Wachovia becoming Wells Fargo even Charlotte is feeling the effects.  

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 08:33:31 AM »
Jax just needs more people in it. Not enough people there.
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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 08:35:48 AM »
What needs to happen?  Compact clustering of uses, pedestrian scale connectivity and better ground level integration between buildings and the street.  DT has a ton of problems but whatever solution someone cooks up has to have these three things as the central components. 

Where are these 3 things happening in Duval county on the river, tributaries,etc that capture instead of buildings and street just substitute buildings and the river.

This should also be a central component and it was highlighted in a report for Downtown Vision by Chan Krieger and Assosciates. Connect the Northbank and Southbank.

Pedestrian level vibrancy is achieved in spots where multiple pedestrian scale activities can take place.  Thus, the focus of pedestrian scale connectivity, clustering and complementing activities can't focus on one use over another.  In DT, the heart (centered around Laura Street) is area most suitable to build upon.  There you have a mix of complementing uses (entertainment, residential, office, culture, recreation, etc.) already in place.  So at the "CBD pedestrian scale level" we need to find ways to better utilize existing assets to stimulate additional foot traffic, which stimulates additional infill development.  On an urban core level, we need to look at how to better take advantage existing assets through connectivity (mass transit, parks, waterways, etc.) in an effort to stimulate infill clustering and complementing uses.  If we can do these two things, over time the isolation between downtown and adjacent walkable districts will disappear.  At that point, a Brooklyn becomes something like Back Bay is to Boston's CBD.  By foot, you don't realize you've changed districts (see images below).




The Boston Common can be clearly seen in this view from the Prudential Observation Deck.  Like Springfield's chain of parks, the Common is bordered by several inner city neighborhoods.  Downtown can be seen in the background, Beacon Hill to the left and Back Bay at the bottom of the graphic.


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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 08:38:20 AM »
Jax just needs more people in it. Not enough people there.

Sure, downtown needs more people.  However, the reality is that its not going to get them anytime soon.  Thus, the focus in regards to residential, should be connectivity between it and the densely populated residential districts adjacent to it.  Instead of worrying about how to subsidize and attract 10,000 residents in the Northbank, spend less money by better utilizing the +100,000 that already live within a 3 mile radius (or so) around it.
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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 09:17:55 AM »
Take a look at the Boston MBTA TRANSIT maps. Note that Downtown is fed from all 3 directions by an intense network of buses...  BUT LOOK CLOSER...  The buses turn back at transfer stations in the burbs, 7-routes at FIELDS CORNER, 12-routes at FOREST HILLS and 9-routes at WELLINGTON. They could have laid out the bus routes right alongside the railroad on US - 1 and duplicated the whole damn rail system, but they didn't. In fact they use a system of transfers where the bus routes no longer go downtown. Much better use of the bus and rail system has allowed the downtown to boom with people rather then fume spewing transit machines.


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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 10:03:38 AM »
Hmmmm......Are you trying to say the MBTA knows something that JTA doesn't?
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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 10:05:46 AM »
You dont say!

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2010, 10:09:38 AM »
I say focus on one small area at a time. Build out from the Landing. It is silly to think that any commercial buildings will be built any time soon with so much vacancy in buildings already. We need to work with the building leasers to get offices in there. The city then needs real solutions to parking issues. Almost every company that ahs left said parking was a major factor in them leaving. Most companies compensate their employees parking downtown. That costs a lot of money. They can go to the Southside and there are shimmering islands of asphalt as far as the eye can see of free parking. There has to be a incentive for a company to relocate downtown. Maybe foucus on smaller companies for now and work on getting all these offices rented. It will take time. Slow and steady until the economy starts to rebound again.

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 10:17:49 AM »
blame  FBC

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 10:20:04 AM »
Jacksonville has no power base. Our political clout in Tallahassee has been lost to those in Orlando and South Florida. The local power base has been more concerned about social justice than commercial growth. Ideologies have driven out the vibrancy of  the once popular downtown lifestyle.
Intensives create opportunities and investment. Our political leaders have no intention of granting incentives to corporate investment unless it is tied to some kind of unrealistic social payback. Corporate America will bring opportunities to Jacksonville that are directly related to their corporate mission. From that point once the corporation is feeding the streets with jobs and ancillary businesses those with ideological aspirations have the tools to improve social injustices.
Jacksonville is NOT corporate friendly. Jacksonville must visualize itself as a field barren and desolate which can be developed by a board of community planners that ARE NOT subject to political leadership. The Board of Planners create a consensus of what is the best option for Jacksonville and it is then presented to the people of Jacksonville under a referendum. I am POSITIVE that the people of Jacksonville will FUND a clean plan of attack to revitalize their city.

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Re: An Empty Feeling: Inside The Walls Of Downtown
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 10:27:35 AM »
blame FBC! haha that is funny. I thought it was JTA's fault all the corporations were fleeing Downtown.