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Title: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: williamjackson on April 13, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
by William Jackson: Father, Educator, Blogger
#MyQuestToTeach

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Pictures of books located on Photobucket by women and about women
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Books%20About%20and%20By%20Black%20Women/story)
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I appreciate all the comments which allow me to understand the people that read
and ridicule instead of engaged in a dialogue of understanding and comprehension.

I struggled with the title and even prayed over it, but I’m sure I would not have
received such colorful comments that attack my profession as an educator and even
the attempts to get people to understand the valuable resource our public
library system is. It is interesting that no matter how much work that I try to
do in the community my character is attacked and my attempts to show the
good things going on in Jacksonville and how parents should be more involved
in schools and community groups.

I wrote and re-wrote this reply twice, not to sound angry, but to encourage
intellectual thought and re-evaluation of what you are doing in your community
to help others to grow.

If I were to take a poll how many have been to the African American section of
the library or taken children there? How many have encouraged the consistent
attempts to get children to read more and to be involved in community events?

I rarely see such energy generated to get more activities for children, youth,
teens and young adults that are homeless, struggling with mental illness
and even caught up in the justice system. Movies and television programs are
showing children involved in acts beyond their years, but where are the
sounds to stop this? With all the resources of the libraries why still are they
not full during the weekends, holidays with youth, teens and young adults?

Thanks for your words of encouragement, my character and even the attempts
to question my years as an educator. Take the time to walk in another person’s
shoes and be engaged with the intellectual pursuits to better children and help
families that are struggling.

If this piece of writing can cause this flurry of replies then maybe each of us
needs to be more active in supporting the library system and volunteer time
to take kids and families to the library more. Get kids that are homeless
the resources to make sure they graduate from high school and continue on
with their lives and even, just maybe volunteer time at Boys and Girls Clubs
and other youth groups that struggle with mentors and role models.

Thanks for all the talk, now let’s see those words with being involved in our
schools, our communities, our youth organizations.

Call the juvenile justice departments and volunteer to help kids reshape
their lives so they will change to citizens that will seek to better their lives
and our community. What works do you do and are you involved in?

I have more to come, it is a decision you make to read or not, but I continue
to help youth teens and young adults as much as possible even with controversial
titles that get people to think.

What do you say to help or be a critic?

I respectfully appreciate the editors of Metro Jacksonville for their support
of our rights of free speech and exchange of intellectual thought and
engagement. Wm Jackson 
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The value of reading and joy of literacy can change lives. It has happened with
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X and others that proclaim education is the
key to generational prosperity.
Books focusing on women and their achievements are not rare, but available, girls
and women are not reading great books about themselves. These books are
sitting on bookshelves gathering dust and pages are fading away like the memories
of the great writers, storytellers and the information that can motivate, excite
and change minds.

Chinua Achebe the great Nigerian author of many books that are still popular today
has stated that the author has a different agenda than the Emperor. Colonization
seeks to keep the people un or under educated so they cannot see that they can
do better.

As I sift through the fantastic books in my local library here in Jacksonville, Florida,
I'm at awe and sorrowed that it seems I'm the only one that previewed the historic
content of information dedicated to African Americans. The excitement I feel is
overwhelming because I want to share these treasures of stories about wonderful
women of color, but it seems no one else is interested. I do not know if it is by
design or on accident, either way the stories of lives that have inspired,
influenced and empowered are fading away from memory and gather dust on
bookshelves not just in Jacksonville Florida, but nationally and globally.

Lets me be honest there are few if any left African American book stores in African
American neighborhoods because African Americans are not reading as they
once did. There is the mental retardation that reading is not valuable so not only
economically do we as a people fail, but educationally and culturally as our
own history is watered down.

Suggestions for daughters/women struggling with personality and self purpose.
Be yourself and be authentic. Don't be pressured into sex or other situations
that do not benefit you intellectually and educationally. As a father I look forward
to my daughter getting married and having children of her own. The upsetting
issue is what kind of man will she fall in love with and bear their children.
The dating scene for college students is perplexing, dangerous, and challenging
for the hopes of getting a good man and even men getting a good wife.

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Fathers inwardly stress about this and there are T-shirts referencing guns,
murder, jail time and even castration if a fathers' daughter is abused,
assaulted, "knocked up," or hurt. Men are crazy like that about their daughters.
Movies such as "Blood Father" 2016 represents that fathers are not perfect,
but mess with their daughters and there is hell to pay.

I'm smart enough to know it takes two to make a baby, as a father of a son and
daughter, it is hoped and prayed that both parties are responsible in their
choices for life time mates and companions. Sex does not last forever, but the
value of companionship, conversation and compatibility is vital. I can't tell my
children not to have sex because as Nikki Giovanni once said, "that's what
young people do, have sex." Edward Waters College 2012
Interviewing Nikki Giovanni at Edward Waters College 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobIOFAZMkc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobIOFAZMkc)

Parents have to teach their children the consequences of sex
not just the potential for STD's or pregnancy, but the emotional and
psychological consequences also.
Nikki and William
https://myquesttoteach.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/
nikki-giovanni-and-william-jackson.jpg (https://myquesttoteach.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/
nikki-giovanni-and-william-jackson.jpg)

Looking at the patterns of teens and college students and even from my
observations from my college experiences babies happen from sex. I cannot
count how many girls went home during my college years pregnant and no man,
no husband and an uncertain future to struggle it alone with a child that the
father was happy to help create even if unintentional, but did not want anything
to do with it after finding out his seed fertilized an egg. As a divorced parent,
I stayed in my children's life, not because of court orders, because I love my
children and even though divorced from their mother I did not divorce my kids.
I stayed in their lives, supporting beyond child support.

I'm not perfect, no parent is, as a parent my fears sometimes as many
fathers leave me awake late at night, in prayer about the future of my son
and daughter. My son for different reasons being African American male
and a college student. A blog for another time.

This past Women History's Month there were programs, ceremonies, workshops,
entertainment and special events. My contribution as a father is daughters,
girls and young women don't be swayed by smooth talking brothers of any
color into making a decision based on physical pleasure that is temporary,
but could result in life long consequences from pregnancy, a STD, abortion,
or other events that may lead to emotional, physical or psychological
distress.

The older you become the more your past may begin to haunt you and
your reliance on salvation turns back to the church and saving your soul,
also a blog for another time. Visiting the local library in Jacksonville,
Florida a thought came to mind..
"Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind" to emphasis
that before a man gets into bed, women need to get into their heads to
understand the relationships and commitment levels. Since the maturity
level is sometimes light years separate both need to make sure they
are mature enough to be in agreement.

NO means NO and a maybe still means NO unless willingly changed to a
YES without alcohol, drugs or smooth talking... even then protection
needs to be agreed on because as I have taught my son and especially
my daughter you don't know how many others that person has claimed
or lied that they slept with, but once you do all of you are connected
in a physical, emotional and psychological connection that lasts a life
time.

Sex is a bonding physical action of trading bodily fluids that are absorbed
into the body and the meshing of souls in a emotional, physical and
psychological embrace. Like the old folks saying, if you lay with dogs
long enough you get fleas and ticks. Now you can get more than
that, because death maybe laying there waiting on you. There is
nothing wrong with being smart, intelligent, creative and innovative
for girls and women.

There is nothing wrong with wanting the best in life and working for
it as a women. Don't ever sell yourself, sell yourself short and use
your body for profit, personal or professional gain. People have lost
their morality, ethics and personal value because of decisions based
on momentary decisions they are struggling with into adulthood.
"Fathers Tell Your Daughters to Put These Between Their Legs" is a
way for a dialogue of talking about life and the journey all of us
must take. Fathers value their daughters, but in that value must
also come the understanding that daughters must find their way
in life as well. There will be happiness, heartache, loves,
un-loves, peace, strife and the continuation of living in a world
that can chew you up and spit you out or try to turn you away
from the morality of humanity.

Fathers be in prayer, stay in prayer and share those prayers with
your daughters and sons. We have to take advantage of the
youthfulness of our children to teach them when they are
young and before we are old. It is easier to shape a young
sapling when it can bend with the wind than when it becomes a
tree and the roots are dug in and the trunk un-movable.

Fathers teach your daughters their mind and their bodies are
the most valuable resources they have and to never allow anyone
to take advantage of them and use them for someone else's
pleasure and purpose. The books below are a journey in lives,
a wealth of hidden information and resources.

Take the time to visit your local library and even get a
library card to check out books for your reading and literacy
pleasure. Put something between your legs that will bring
value to your life.
Knowledge from Nikki Giovanni and her outlook on life and living.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobIOFAZMkc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobIOFAZMkc)

Pictures of books located on Photobucket for women and by women
http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/williamdjackson/
Books%20About%20and%20By%20Black%20Women/story (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/williamdjackson/
Books%20About%20and%20By%20Black%20Women/story)
Placed in a story line

(http://www.hypeorlando.com/my-quest-swag/wp-content/uploads/sites/158/2016/03/mothers.jpg)

Resources:
Lunch and Learn with Nikki Giovanni
https://myquesttoteach.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/ (https://myquesttoteach.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/)

Nikki Giovanni at Edward Waters College
https://myquesttoteach.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/
nikki-giovanni-at-edward-waters-college/ (https://myquesttoteach.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/
nikki-giovanni-at-edward-waters-college/)
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 13, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
So William, why is topic line in this post aimed at women and their sexuality?  Bad intro my friend to a focus on education that needs to be a priority regardless of sex.  Men could use some books between their legs as well.  Don't like the implication in your topic line at all.  Very bad form.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 13, 2017, 03:17:25 PM
Here are some facts.

African-American Women Now Top the List of Most-Educated Group in the Country
A new study finds that African-American women achieve the highest outcomes of any demographic by race and gender.

By Kali Holloway

From 1999–2000 to 2009–'10, the percentage of degrees earned by females remained between approximately 60 and 62 percent for associate's degrees and between 57 and 58 percent for bachelor's degrees. In contrast, the percentages of both master's and doctor's degrees earned by females increased from 1999–2000 to 2009–'10. Within each racial/ethnic group, women earned the majority of degrees at all levels in 2009–'10. For example, among U.S. residents, black females earned 68 percent of associate's degrees, 66 percent of bachelor's degrees, 71 percent of master's degrees, and 65 percent of all doctor's degrees awarded to black students. Hispanic females earned 62 percent of associate's degrees, 61 percent of bachelor's degrees, 64 percent of master's degrees, and 55 percent of all doctor's degrees awarded to Hispanic students. (White women earned 61 percent of Associate’s degrees, 56 percent of bachelor’s degrees, 61.8 percent of master’s, and 51.4 percent of doctorates.)

For full article click link below.


http://www.alternet.org/gender/black-women-most-educated-people-america
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Adam White on April 13, 2017, 04:16:58 PM
Yeah, nice job of mansplaining, William.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: KenFSU on April 13, 2017, 11:48:53 PM
SO. MANY. BROAD. GENERALIZATIONS.

This is almost Glenn level parody.

And as a father of a three-year old daughter that I want to grow up to be strong and empowered, I find this all deeply, deeply patronizing and offensive.

For a guy who pushes progression so hard, this article, and that headline in particular, is shockingly behind the times.

Was, "Women, get all those dicks out of your cooch and go to the 'brary!" already taken?

What about, "LADIES! Less fuckin! More readin!"

Delete it Will, pretend like none of this ever happened.



Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 14, 2017, 12:47:54 AM
SO. MANY. BROAD. GENERALIZATIONS.

This is almost Glenn level parody.

And as a father of a three-year old daughter that I want to grow up to be strong and empowered, I find this all deeply, deeply patronizing and offensive.

For a guy who pushes progression so hard, this article, and that headline in particular, is shockingly behind the times.

Was, "Women, get all those dicks out of your cooch and go to the 'brary!" already taken?

What about, "LADIES! Less fuckin! More readin!"

Delete it Will, pretend like none of this ever happened.




This, so much this.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: funwithteeth on April 14, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
It's sadly not surprising finding out that someone who has a record of preaching progressive values still holds a retrograde attitude towards women, particularly female sexuality.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: JaxAvondale on April 14, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
^Agreed
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: SuzySpringfield on April 14, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
Looks like you need to build up your own damn mind, William.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: RattlerGator on April 14, 2017, 12:44:36 PM
Maybe I raced through that long, long post far, far too quickly but . . . me thinks y'all may have missed something while digesting his information. What's retrograde? The subject line?

Well, it got me to take a look. Well done, William. Yes, men need to do likewise and put some between our legs, too. So what? There's likely no community in our nation more bombarded with hypersexualized media than the African American community. Most vulnerable are our females. So, I think I understand where you're coming from and what you tried to do.

However, William: Sometimes I read your pieces, sometimes I don't. But I always get the sense you're posting these elsewhere and they are merely cross-posted here. Maybe I'm wrong about that. This forum, though? Your topics likely would need to be framed and engaged differently in your original posts. I offer that merely as food for thought going forward. All the best to you, bruh.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: thelakelander on April 14, 2017, 01:20:55 PM
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However, William: Sometimes I read your pieces, sometimes I don't. But I always get the sense you're posting these elsewhere and they are merely cross-posted here. Maybe I'm wrong about that. This forum, though? Your topics likely would need to be framed and engaged differently in your original posts. I offer that merely as food for thought going forward. All the best to you, bruh.

I get this impression as well.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Jim on April 14, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
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However, William: Sometimes I read your pieces, sometimes I don't. But I always get the sense you're posting these elsewhere and they are merely cross-posted here. Maybe I'm wrong about that. This forum, though? Your topics likely would need to be framed and engaged differently in your original posts. I offer that merely as food for thought going forward. All the best to you, bruh.

I get this impression as well.
myquesttoteach.wordpress.com, thyblackman.com and hyperorlando.com.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: KenFSU on April 14, 2017, 02:06:37 PM
I've mentioned this before and Stephen said that William was an invited guest of MetroJacksonville.

You can tell just by the formatting that it's clearly a copy and paste job.

To me, it's spam. I think his intentions are often in the right place, but over the years, he's literally made no effort whatsoever to be a member of the community, instead just using MetroJacksonville as a dumping ground to hit and run with his blog posts.

It's all very one-sided.

Like the guy who leaves shit under your windshield wipers when you're at the mall.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Tacachale on April 14, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
^I always thought the posts should be put in one "William Jackson Blog Post Thread". That way it's easily identified in one place for anyone who cares to read it. It would be even better if he just posted the first paragraph and then a link to whatever site they're coming from so it looks less like spamming off-site content into the forum.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: peestandingup on April 14, 2017, 08:03:42 PM
Delete it Will, pretend like none of this ever happened.

Lol, literally "DELETE THIS!" Is that how you handle opinions you disagree with? If anything, some of you are totally predictable if anything gets real. You could just, you know, ignore him maybe? I know I know, too simple & wouldn't allow people to grandstand & virtue signal, which is all the rage these days.

William is obviously concerned about the extreme rise within the last couple decades of black children being born to single parents, which is something like 72% (in the 70s it was around 30%). He probably lives it & sees it every single day, and knows the negative effects it can cause. The STD rate is also extremely high within the black community. These aren't my personal feelings, they're legit stats from the CDC & others. All this usually goes back to what's happening at home & the family unit, or lack thereof. I know this doesn't exactly lineup with some people's worldview, but it is what it is.

That being said, I agree that he could've went about it differently instead of "close your damn legs!". William seems like he likes to play the blame game more than finding actual solutions. It was clear long ago he was just using the forum here to copy/paste what he's written somewhere else, with no followup engagement. I actually blocked him years ago because of this (although I still see his threads on the front page).

Point is, I ignore him. You could try that.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 14, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
Agree... 8)
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: KenFSU on April 14, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
Delete it Will, pretend like none of this ever happened.

Lol, literally "DELETE THIS!" Is that how you handle opinions you disagree with? If anything, some of you are totally predictable if anything gets real. You could just, you know, ignore him maybe? I know I know, too simple & wouldn't allow people to grandstand & virtue signal, which is all the rage these days.

William is obviously concerned about the extreme rise within the last couple decades of black children being born to single parents, which is something like 72% (in the 70s it was around 30%). He probably lives it & sees it every single day, and knows the negative effects it can cause. The STD rate is also extremely high within the black community. These aren't my personal feelings, they're legit stats from the CDC & others. All this usually goes back to what's happening at home & the family unit, or lack thereof. I know this doesn't exactly lineup with some people's worldview, but it is what it is.

That being said, I agree that he could've went about it differently instead of "close your damn legs!". William seems like he likes to play the blame game more than finding actual solutions. It was clear long ago he was just using the forum here to copy/paste what he's written somewhere else, with no followup engagement. I actually blocked him years ago because of this (although I still see his threads on the front page).

Point is, I ignore him. You could try that.

To be clear, when I said, "Delete this, pretend it never happened," it wasn't because I disagree with his opinion. He's entitled to it, poor etiquette aside. It was because he's a public educator, using his real name and photo, talking down to women and using offensive, outdated language like "keep your legs closed." If my daughter was in his class and I saw that, heads would roll.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: peestandingup on April 14, 2017, 11:08:34 PM
To be clear, when I said, "Delete this, pretend it never happened," it wasn't because I disagree with his opinion. He's entitled to it, poor etiquette aside. It was because he's a public educator, using his real name and photo, talking down to women and using offensive, outdated language like "keep your legs closed." If my daughter was in his class and I saw that, heads would roll.

That's assuming he even comes back to check. :D I'd prob feel the same way in all honesty if my daughter were on his class.

Is he a legit public educator? What does he teach?
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 14, 2017, 11:19:22 PM
Delete it Will, pretend like none of this ever happened.

Lol, literally "DELETE THIS!" Is that how you handle opinions you disagree with? If anything, some of you are totally predictable if anything gets real. You could just, you know, ignore him maybe? I know I know, too simple & wouldn't allow people to grandstand & virtue signal, which is all the rage these days.

William is obviously concerned about the extreme rise within the last couple decades of black children being born to single parents, which is something like 72% (in the 70s it was around 30%). He probably lives it & sees it every single day, and knows the negative effects it can cause. The STD rate is also extremely high within the black community. These aren't my personal feelings, they're legit stats from the CDC & others. All this usually goes back to what's happening at home & the family unit, or lack thereof. I know this doesn't exactly lineup with some people's worldview, but it is what it is.

That being said, I agree that he could've went about it differently instead of "close your damn legs!". William seems like he likes to play the blame game more than finding actual solutions. It was clear long ago he was just using the forum here to copy/paste what he's written somewhere else, with no followup engagement. I actually blocked him years ago because of this (although I still see his threads on the front page).

Point is, I ignore him. You could try that.
Interesting this article and one he posted today both discussed women.  I may be one of only two women who commented on this thread and will tell you the problem through the eyes of a woman who lived through the 1950's up until today. William promotes himself as an educator so he needs to listen up to us women on the topic of women.  The simple fact is that a man who begins his topic line by telling women with a focus on black women, what they should put between their legs to improve their intellect is degrading and insulting. He implies that they are simple carnal creatures who too often indulge in promiscuity instead of education. I mean what the hell is that?  You know folks need to get past the Adam and Eve fairy tale and the damn apple placing Eve as a seductress.  Adam ate the damn apple because he wanted to and it was his own damn snake that got him in trouble. :) Insinuating at any level that advancing education has to do with what goes between a woman's legs is not only ignorant is it unacceptable.  Then there is the "mansplaning"overtone where he promotes his views and findings about what black women should do to improve their lives as a male observer.  Tell you what, women are so over this behavior that it cannot be ignored.  Yes he may be concerned about single parenthood, sexually transmitted disease and much more.  Yes there is ton's of statistical proof that several serious societal problems exist, but to ignore the fact that single parenthood or in many cases the transmission of STD's is a result of man and a women having sex because they both choose to is a major fail.  It's not just a women with her legs open, it's a man and a woman.  Both have to be equally responsible and educated.  It is even more egregious because his post seems to be aimed at black women who are out stepping other groups in the area advanced education which is why I posted the info I did earlier.  William apparently was unaware of that fact.

KenFSU clearly recognized the problem and spoke in my view as someone who understands the underbelly of sexism in all forms, even those meant to be benign. He was not overreacting but reacting as a father and man who respects women.  We need to have more of that in today's world.
 
Interestingly William posted again today about you guessed it, women.  This time a more flattering article.  Perhaps that was his attempt an apology but it was not good enough.  I agree with much of what others pointed out which is that his posts are hit and run.  He drops a view or idea and does not engage other forum members when they respond to his ideas and viewpoints.  So William, if you read this, you need to get your head on straight about women and the fact that we will no longer put up with sexist innuendo or mansplaining. 
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: williamjackson on April 15, 2017, 12:51:49 AM
I appreciate all the comments which allow me to understand the people that read
and ridicule instead of engaged in a dialogue of understanding and comprehension.

I struggled with the title and even prayed over it, but I’m sure I would not have
received such colorful comments that attack my profession as an educator and even
the attempts to get people to understand the valuable resource our public
library system is. It is interesting that no matter how much work that I try to
do in the community my character is attacked and my attempts to show the
good things going on in Jacksonville and how parents should be more involved
in schools and community groups.

I wrote and re-wrote this reply twice, not to sound angry, but to encourage
intellectual thought and re-evaluation of what you are doing in your community
to help others to grow.

If I were to take a poll how many have been to the African American section of
the library or taken children there? How many have encouraged the consistent
attempts to get children to read more and to be involved in community events?

I rarely see such energy generated to get more activities for children, youth,
teens and young adults that are homeless, struggling with mental illness
and even caught up in the justice system. Movies and television programs are
showing children involved in acts beyond their years, but where are the
sounds to stop this? With all the resources of the libraries why still are they
not full during the weekends, holidays with youth, teens and young adults?

Thanks for your words of encouragement, my character and even the attempts
to question my years as an educator. Take the time to walk in another person’s
shoes and be engaged with the intellectual pursuits to better children and help
families that are struggling.

If this piece of writing can cause this flurry of replies then maybe each of us
needs to be more active in supporting the library system and volunteer time
to take kids and families to the library more. Get kids that are homeless
the resources to make sure they graduate from high school and continue on
with their lives and even, just maybe volunteer time at Boys and Girls Clubs
and other youth groups that struggle with mentors and role models.

Thanks for all the talk, now let’s see those words with being involved in our
schools, our communities, our youth organizations.

Call the juvenile justice departments and volunteer to help kids reshape
their lives so they will change to citizens that will seek to better their lives
and our community. What works do you do and are you involved in?

I have more to come, it is a decision you make to read or not, but I continue
to help youth teens and young adults as much as possible even with controversial
titles that get people to think.

What do you say to help or be a critic?
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2017, 01:58:33 PM
I appreciate all the comments which allow me to understand the people that read
and ridicule instead of engaged in a dialogue of understanding and comprehension.

I struggled with the title and even prayed over it, but I’m sure I would not have
received such colorful comments that attack my profession as an educator and even
the attempts to get people to understand the valuable resource our public
library system is. It is interesting that no matter how much work that I try to
do in the community my character is attacked and my attempts to show the
good things going on in Jacksonville and how parents should be more involved
in schools and community groups.

I wrote and re-wrote this reply twice, not to sound angry, but to encourage
intellectual thought and re-evaluation of what you are doing in your community
to help others to grow.

If I were to take a poll how many have been to the African American section of
the library or taken children there? How many have encouraged the consistent
attempts to get children to read more and to be involved in community events?

I rarely see such energy generated to get more activities for children, youth,
teens and young adults that are homeless, struggling with mental illness
and even caught up in the justice system. Movies and television programs are
showing children involved in acts beyond their years, but where are the
sounds to stop this? With all the resources of the libraries why still are they
not full during the weekends, holidays with youth, teens and young adults?

Thanks for your words of encouragement, my character and even the attempts
to question my years as an educator. Take the time to walk in another person’s
shoes and be engaged with the intellectual pursuits to better children and help
families that are struggling.

If this piece of writing can cause this flurry of replies then maybe each of us
needs to be more active in supporting the library system and volunteer time
to take kids and families to the library more. Get kids that are homeless
the resources to make sure they graduate from high school and continue on
with their lives and even, just maybe volunteer time at Boys and Girls Clubs
and other youth groups that struggle with mentors and role models.

Thanks for all the talk, now let’s see those words with being involved in our
schools, our communities, our youth organizations.

Call the juvenile justice departments and volunteer to help kids reshape
their lives so they will change to citizens that will seek to better their lives
and our community. What works do you do and are you involved in?

I have more to come, it is a decision you make to read or not, but I continue
to help youth teens and young adults as much as possible even with controversial
titles that get people to think.

What do you say to help or be a critic?

William, what makes you think that many of us are not on the front lines of these issues?  I have been for decades and so have many more posters here.  I don't want to hear you tell us how you struggled to write this piece. Not interested one bit.  I want an apology for your statement about "what women should put between their legs".  That was crass and sexist.  Glad you answered but not impressed by a flurry of words that misses or ignores the point.  Don't mansplain, apologize. 
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: ronchamblin on April 16, 2017, 01:30:20 PM
Being on the front lines of this predicament more than most of us, William seems to have become somewhat frustrated, having every day acute perceptions as to the many students avoiding the reading of books, and the perhaps too many black females becoming pregnant so young … without the father around for support. 

The title he chose?  Well … it certainly encourages attention and criticism.  But it also points to a strong message.  Is the title appropriate? Perhaps it could have been better chosen.  But given the seriousness of the societal predicament surrounding the issue of too much careless unsafe sex in general, and by black females in particular … I really don’t give a goddamn what William choses as a title … up to a point of course.

Yes … my god (choose the one you like), the young endure very strong pressures to have sex.  And when the sexual forces within a young man and a young woman combine, it takes a powerful will to either avoid sex, or to have sex safely ... with protection.

Hell, I remember even in my twenties, becoming sexually aroused while observing certain shapely trees … such is the power of the sexual urge in some imaginative humans.  You’ve heard of the tree “huggers” … the environmentalists?  I was a potential tree “fck*r”.  Being very very shy, I knew the trees would not resist or be offended.  Having gained counseling, I’m over that now … the trees are safe. (joke btw) 

William is right on in most of what he has said.  Just an anecdote or two. 

A man almost begged me to hire his granddaughter, a 17 year old pregnant black female, to work at the downtown bookstore.  I reluctantly agreed.  After several days, I began to notice a consistent level of error in placing books into categories, and in searching for titles desired by customers.  I decided (too late I admit) to ask her questions about history and the sciences.  This girl (and there are many white high school graduates in the same state of ignorance) did not know in what century occurred the Civil War.  She did not know whether the Dark Ages was before or after the Roman Empire.  The Great Depression?  No clue as to what it was, or into which century it would fall. 

Sadly, I had to let her go, explaining to her that it was almost impossible for her to work in a bookstore without at least some knowledge of history and the sciences … or the humanities in general. 

Of course, she gained knowledge of sex quite easily, as sex is ... natural.  But she actually practiced careless sex, with the result of pregnancy.  The father?  Later, I heard that he disappeared, leaving her with no support.

The powerful force within the young to have sex is great indeed.  For the young, if there is no direction or focus on positive or productive objectives, such as reading to become educated, or if there is no will to resist careless and early sex … sex might happen, and the harmful consequences for the individual and society are often for a lifetime … as William has explained in his seemingly frustrated post. 

Contrast the above anecdote with another black female hired several months ago.  Age is about 18 or 19.  She is savvy on history and the sciences, besides being sharp in general.  I suspect that her upbringing, which was in a very poor environment by the way, somehow conveyed sufficient good sense so that she actually focused on learning (book reading was her excuse William) in school, and had the willpower to avoid careless sex.

I suspect that William, along with me and other citizens of good sense, would be pleased and encouraged to see less of the type in the first anecdote, and more of the type in the latter.

One of the few things I’m not in agreement with William is his reference to prayer.  But I don’t want to burden anyone with my opinions about that curious human endeavor.   

No … I would not have chosen the title chosen by William.  I don’t have the balls.  But to disparage and attack William or his post excessively is to miss the point of his message … a strong and important message.   

As in the law and in the rare realm of common sense … the intent is often of much greater importance than the actual behavior.  Let William go, as he is on the mark.  He is a concerned individual … a concerned educator … and he has the gumption to speak and act according to his convictions.

Why attempt to disparage or punish a man who does wonders for a community and society year after year, when he makes a careless indiscretion in using sensitive or awkward terms “once”.  William attempted to get the complacent to wake up a bit … to look with increased attention to the realities surrounding the subject at hand.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Adam White on April 16, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Why is it the woman's burden to avoid having sex? Why should we be lecturing women on staying away from "bad" men instead of lecturing men on being better people?

Why not enjoy reading books and having a good fuck every once in awhile? You'll probably feel a lot better. And not end up as some guilt-ridden maladjusted freak.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: ronchamblin on April 16, 2017, 02:45:54 PM
Regarding William’s urging of the idea of reading ...within our environments, we humans are offered, at all times of the day several strong options to which we might be encouraged to give attention and act upon.  We generally give attention to, and act according to, the most powerful stimuli within our environment.  I think William might also be saying … why not give greater energy to the entire realm of books, reading, and intellectual excitement, so that this energy might overwhelm with increasing success, the powerful culture of sex drive satisfaction of the moment. 

Doing so allows us to become less like the animals, and possess more of the human ideal of restraint and precision in our thoughts and actions.  We seem to be drifting backwards somewhat, becoming on occasion more like the animals.  The occasional trend to a lack of attention to discipline and intellectual development encourages I suspect societal problems we all wish to avoid ... problems caused by, especially regarding the young, excesses of careless and ultimately harmful sex on a scale that might be reduced somewhat by an increasing pressure and direction to seek other goals, such as an education, with a focus on learning that there is actually more to life than sex.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Adam White on April 16, 2017, 02:58:10 PM
Regarding William’s urging of the idea of reading; Within our environments, we humans are offered, at all times of the day several strong options to which we might be encouraged to give attention and act upon.  We generally give attention to, and act according to, the most powerful stimuli within our environment.  I think William might also be saying … why not give greater energy to the entire realm of books, reading, and intellectual excitement, so that this energy might overwhelm with increasing success, the powerful culture of sex drive satisfaction of the moment. 

Doing so allows us to become less like the animals, and possess more of the human ideal of restraint and precision in our thoughts and actions.  We have become more than the animals.  The occasional trend to a lack of attention to discipline and intellectual development encourages I suspect societal problems we all wish to avoid ... problems caused by excesses of careless and ultimately harmful sex on a scale that might be reduced somewhat by an increasing pressure and direction to seek other goals, such as an education, with a focus on learning that there is actually more to life than sex.

I don't doubt that William's intentions were good, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2017, 05:17:45 PM
Regarding William’s urging of the idea of reading ...within our environments, we humans are offered, at all times of the day several strong options to which we might be encouraged to give attention and act upon.  We generally give attention to, and act according to, the most powerful stimuli within our environment.  I think William might also be saying … why not give greater energy to the entire realm of books, reading, and intellectual excitement, so that this energy might overwhelm with increasing success, the powerful culture of sex drive satisfaction of the moment. 

Doing so allows us to become less like the animals, and possess more of the human ideal of restraint and precision in our thoughts and actions.  We seem to be drifting backwards somewhat, becoming on occasion more like the animals.  The occasional trend to a lack of attention to discipline and intellectual development encourages I suspect societal problems we all wish to avoid ... problems caused by, especially regarding the young, excesses of careless and ultimately harmful sex on a scale that might be reduced somewhat by an increasing pressure and direction to seek other goals, such as an education, with a focus on learning that there is actually more to life than sex.

Okay, one more time for clarity for the men who don't understand what my point is which I will explain yet again as follows.  Men and some women have been so inoculated to underhanded and belittling remarks about women that they don't pay attention when they happen or they try to "explain" it away to make it more comfortable to themselves, hence the new term "man-splaining".  We as a society, especially those like William who are want to serve themselves up as concerned and involved citizens need to change the negative and disrespectful way in which women are framed, spoken to and about with regard to all human issues and most especially with regard to issues that impact us.  While I appreciate William's intent and the explanations to explain his poor and insulting statement framing women as "too preoccupied with sex than education" his words a gross insult for which he has yet to apologize to the women who read here and the men who respect them.  Look, I am not now and have never been a weak or thin skinned woman.  I have always felt self empowered and that likely has to do with the example my parents set while I was growing up, which was one of respect and equality between the sexes. However, in this country, especially now under the influence of a misogynist in the oval office who has surrounded himself with like minded individuals and defends clown Bill O'Reilly claiming he did nothing wrong when he was confronted and in some cases found guilty of sexual harassment and intimidation of the women he works with and knows socially each and every statement that lessens or falsely defines women must be addressed.

I am not at any level attacking the facts underlying so many problems impacting our society or in the original post and frankly it is interesting that William's frustration was understood by Ron but the intent of myself as a woman speaking to the issue  was completely not understood by him.  The point is and remains that women will no longer sit back and have ourselves, our feelings, our intellect and our goals explained away by men, nor will we allow ourselves to take the blame for issues created by both men and women.  I hope that is clear enough.  I am also most grateful for the men who do understand the point and have evolved beyond the need to make women less than.   
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: ronchamblin on April 16, 2017, 07:31:39 PM
I appreciate your comments CC.  I’ve most of the time enjoyed your insights, and agreed with you on most of your opinions.  But onward  ….

If an apology is due to anyone, it would be for William’s poor choice of title.  But I certainly do not believe that he owes an apology to anyone, whether female or male, for the substance of his post.  I do not believe that either me or William are talking down to,  denigrating, or insulting women, but that we are simply attempting to describe a rather unfortunate and harmful scenario regarding the lack of focus on books, reading, and the achievement of an education … a scenario partially caused by, and existing along side of, a culture of careless and excessive sex too often engaged by students, both male and female ... black and white. 

I do not have statistics, but I suspect that the facts might suggest that too many young students, black/white and male/female, as evidenced in part by the number of unplanned pregnancies, are focusing on and excessively engaging careless sex, at the expense of energy better spent on the achievement of a good education.  Perhaps William is simply trying to say that enough is enough … that we … somebody …. some group … must attempt to encourage more young people, male and female, to understand certain realities regarding the long term harmful consequences of excessive careless sex.

When discussing sensitive subjects as best one is able, it is unfortunate but understandable that occasionally what one sincerely conveys as a truth is perceived by someone as an insult.  I hope the substance and intent rises to importance on this one, due to the importance of the issue, while the slight possibility of insult might descend to a lesser consequence. 
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2017, 08:09:45 PM
I have no problem with the substance and have stated that.  My problem is with the initial into and his focus on black women that implies that somehow all of the problems he listed begin and end with women and their choice.  Good to talk to you Ron.  :)
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: RattlerGator on April 18, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
Very good job, Ron.
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Gunnar on April 19, 2017, 07:42:09 AM
hence the new term "man-splaining".  We as a society, especially those like William who are want to serve themselves up as concerned and involved citizens need to change the negative and disrespectful way in which women are framed, spoken to and about with regard to all human issues and most especially with regard to issues that impact us. 

Speaking of the negative and disrespectful way in which people of a gender are framed:

From Wikipedia
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Many people consider the term [mansplaining] to be pejorative, sexist and patronizing to men. Its use remains controversial and people who use it may find themselves categorized as sexist and a misandrist
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
hence the new term "man-splaining".  We as a society, especially those like William who are want to serve themselves up as concerned and involved citizens need to change the negative and disrespectful way in which women are framed, spoken to and about with regard to all human issues and most especially with regard to issues that impact us. 


Speaking of the negative and disrespectful way in which people of a gender are framed:

From Wikipedia
Quote
Many people consider the term [mansplaining] to be pejorative, sexist and patronizing to men. Its use remains controversial and
people who use it may find themselves categorized as sexist and a misandrist
Wikipedia explanations/definitions can be posted by anyone. My guess is this one was posted by a man. :) To most women man-splaining is when a man decides to speak to women's issues and has no understanding of the issue or that his comments are patronizing or when a woman makes a statement of fact and man put's his spin on that fact to suit his agenda.  That is what  my use of the word meant and means when I use it. 
This is actually the universally accepted definition as follows:

man·splain
manˈsplān/
verbinformal
gerund or present participle: mansplaining
(of a man) explain (something) to someone, typically a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.
"I'm listening to a guy mansplain economics to his wife"
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Gunnar on April 19, 2017, 02:39:06 PM
A definition I rather often came across is "a man interrupting a woman to explain to her something she actually knows more about than he does."

So "stupid explaining" = mansplaining ?

But I'm sure you can explain to me why I am getting that wrong  ;)
Title: Re: Women Put These Between Your Legs and Build Up Your Mind
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2017, 03:06:01 PM
It's not important that I explain anything to you beyond what I said Gunnar.  You can believe what you like.  I posted the most widely accepted definition of what that word means.  People can decide for themselves what they feel about it. :)