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Noone

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #165 on: April 29, 2012, 07:03:19 AM »
In the world today across the pond was the Royal Wedding of William and Kate. In Jacksonville paddling Hogans Creek an urban Waterway within our Downtown Jacksonville Overlay Zoning District was myself and sharing this adventure was the Executive Director of the Jacksonville Civic Council, Don Shea.

Don was there before me and was ready to go. The weather was breaking at the right time for our trip to be a success. I just want to inject right now our thoughts and prayers with all the families who lost loved one with the storms that ravaged the southeast. The overcast clouds that were associated with that storm system were clearing out and the winds were diminishing.

It was an outgoing tide and the birds were moving early primarily because we were going at a pretty good clip and they knew we were coming. We swiftly moved past some of the campsites and the garbage that was starting to collect after the recent rains was more pronounced. I was pointing to Don some of the potential access points that could open this waterway immediately.

We made our way past the shopping cart depth meter chart and both wheels were fully exposed. I mentioned to Don if funding is needed to open this waterway can you imagine the naming rights for that shopping cart. We both enjoyed a good laugh.

Continuing on, we paddled adjacent to  the Maxwell House plant and did enjoy the smell of the morning aroma of coffee. when we popped out into our St. Johns River our American Heritage River the water had a slight chop. the outgoing tide allowed for a floating break that just carried us out to visually see what can be a vibrant piece of our Downtown. If you are allowed to participate. Yes, the Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier was in view

The current is continually moving. We see a big catamaran heading north. All of a sudden some nice gusts are greeting us as we make our way back. Its still an outgoing tide we are paddling hard and as we make our way to the shopping cart depth meter chart the wheels are exposed. I show Don the tire that is hanging in the Mulberry tree.   

My hats off to Don for taking the time to see for himself as have so many others what should be on the short list of things that need to happen so we can tell everyone to "Visit Jacksonville."

Who's next?

So much has happened in a year.

Yesterday I was Making a Scene on a Downtown Waterway Destination River Activity and instead of launching at Washington and Beaver I was launching at the new kayak launch at the city marina at Metropolitan Park. The once inviting location at Washington and Beaver has been replaced with brand new No Trespassing signs.

So on Sat. morning after listening to the fishing shows Iwanted to take it Downtown. I want to say I'm All In. My original intent was to put in at the city marina and then paddle all the way to the Hyatt, Berkman Plaza-Plaza at Berkman. It was an outgoing tide and once you leave the shelter of the marina you are immediately in the open waters and strong currents of our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.

So immediately I'm paddling against the current. There were two boats in the marina. I brought my fishing poles and it was one of those trips where the fishing was more a secondary purpose. Another personal observation is that river traffic in this part of the river is not under the no wake zone. On a beautiful weekend there were so many boats that you just lose count. I mention this for the benefit of the novice kayaker and the reality that if you are not skilled or prepared this can be dangerous in my opinion.

So anyway I'm paddling toward Dowtown against the current and I make it to the entrance to Hogans Creek. The demolition and the widening of the creek appears to be finished. (Never before Waterways) It has been a long time so I decide to take it in.

Still an outgoing tide the water levels are some of the lowest I've ever seen. What is noticable is the vast widening that has taken place. The vegetation on one side that provided a canopy for some birds in stark contrast to the rocky bank that now is on the other side. I am seeing more plovers. small birds that dart between the rocks and their flight just inches above the water and that bounce in there step.

I take it through the Maxwell House plant and there is a ladder leaning against a palm tree as the palms are all being trimmed. Super low tides and there is still garbage around. I take it by the shopping cart depth meter chart and the cart is almost 3/4 exposed. I'm talking very low tides.

Continue on and Make it by the launch under Duval St. next to the Casket factory and Old St. Lukes Hospital. Its about 11 am the sun is bright and the low exposed banks are just filled with fiddlers. You go past patches of spartina grass and you just have to say to yourself what will be a true restoration project as we open this Waterway? I'm already missing Dana Morten.

I continue on and finally make it to the rapids of Hogans Creek. There is no way I'm continuing on unless its a Doug Skiles I'm not quitting maneuver. Doug the water was so low that instead of rapids it looked like falls. I turn around and take it back. What is really sad to report is that during this trip I didn't see one species of heron. Not one.

The trip back to the marina was easy. Still an outgoing tide. I said hello to a man that was fishing when I started. He said he caught a couple of croaker. I got to the marina and decided to fish under the brand new no fishing signs. Caught a trout. Small one.

Who's next?

billy

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #166 on: April 29, 2012, 09:01:23 AM »
Was in town early last week. Brought kayak, but sadly, had no time to use it.
Went over near Adams Street Bridge, and walked over from Union Street to creekside. Someone had dumped a load of
old brick debris almost on the bank. Water seemed to be flowing fast, looked low.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #167 on: May 24, 2012, 12:36:20 AM »
Who's next?

Great conditions in the AM. An epoch opportunity to reclaim FIND projects for 2013. We can put in at Hogan's creek and take it to Sidney Geffen Park. Low tide is at 7 am.

Have a tandem and we can catch the incoming tide. So we can launch at 7:30, 8, 8:30, 9

Who wants to say- VISIT JACKSONVILLE?

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #168 on: June 21, 2012, 02:23:10 AM »
Check out images 1,3, and 28

This community just took out the old viaduct South of Bay St. that once carried the Seaboard Coastline Railroad. Not before Waterways. Notice the steps and  potential bicycle rack on the river? Another example of destroying connectivity.

So who wants to kayak Downtown and fish under the brand new no fishing signs?


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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #169 on: June 23, 2012, 06:03:01 AM »
Sunday 6/24/12 is a unique opportunity to continue to wrap your hands around a unique urban Waterway Destination that Downtown is just not a pass through as it relates to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. There is a clean up that will take place at 9 am at Washington and Catherine St. I'm All In.

Lake, Ock, the Jacksonville Historical Society I'm not picking on you but I must say that I'm in total shock that not a word from the rail guys about taking out the old viaduct that once carried the Seaboard Coastline Railroad. Obviously I guess you all were in total support.  I did reach out to the Riverkeeper. Was it the position of the Historical Society that it was great to see it gone forever? Just asking.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2012, 06:35:15 AM »
^That wasn't a rail viaduct.  The rail viaduct was removed over a decade ago.  The viaduct that was removed as was a street and it wasn't historic. 

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« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2012, 07:09:53 AM »
The city will be announcing a new round of designated kayak launch sites and trail improvements on Friday, June 29th, 8:30 am, Tillie Fowler Park (across from NAS).  One of the launch sites will be on Hogans Creek at the end of Catherine Street.  Public Works is going to clear away the undergrowth this week to make it more accessible.

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« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2012, 08:42:10 AM »
One of the many things Brown's "administration" has dropped the ball on while oiling their cliche machine (SORRY, HAD TO), is pursuing federal grant opportunities for our local waterways. The attached grant below, while now closed, represented a good opportunity for the City to lead a collaborative grant application.

http://www07.grants.gov/search/search.do;jsessionid=s1QLPl2b3NL8YG0fntk9pLQ1mqZ74Hp431smgvvHRGzSw14VQrJW!1911218039?oppId=131634&mode=VIEW

While the Peyton administration was flawed, I know their Parks and Grants Office, when it was started but the guy who came from parks, were active in pursuing grants for Hogan's Creek. The City and Michael Bryant even submitted a grant to NOAA several years ago for some small test sites along to creek to restore riparian flood plot areas to help clean the creek of debris. While not funded, there was some interest and leadership shown and a lot of data produced.

This administration has no one designated to pursue these grants, no one designated or capable (that I'm aware of) to write these grants, and no one leading any kind of larger effort. This is a pity and I think urban core CPAC needs to start bringing these grant notices to Brown and asking him where the "private-public" partnerships are for our waterways.

I'm crawling off my soap box now.  :) Budget times are tight however the City can still lead and facilitate.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #173 on: June 23, 2012, 07:06:36 PM »
^That wasn't a rail viaduct.  The rail viaduct was removed over a decade ago.  The viaduct that was removed as was a street and it wasn't historic. 

OK. Well look at picture 1 and imagine a food truck. the steps that are already there and the connectivity that was just lost for not only walking but cycling. Where was the discusion? There was none.

 

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #174 on: June 23, 2012, 07:11:12 PM »
Public Works is going to clear away the undergrowth this week to make it more accessible.

Public Works is the one who gets the credit for Stonewall and Chelsea St. on McCoys Creek in Riverside. I just hope they don't plan on cutting a 100' wide path to the creek.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #175 on: June 23, 2012, 09:53:48 PM »
^That wasn't a rail viaduct.  The rail viaduct was removed over a decade ago.  The viaduct that was removed as was a street and it wasn't historic. 

OK. Well look at picture 1 and imagine a food truck. the steps that are already there and the connectivity that was just lost for not only walking but cycling. Where was the discusion? There was none.

From my understanding, that old Shipyards viaduct was taken down to help the creek flow better.  I really don't see what the big deal is about it.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #176 on: June 24, 2012, 04:16:27 AM »
^That wasn't a rail viaduct.  The rail viaduct was removed over a decade ago.  The viaduct that was removed as was a street and it wasn't historic. 

OK. Well look at picture 1 and imagine a food truck. the steps that are already there and the connectivity that was just lost for not only walking but cycling. Where was the discusion? There was none.

From my understanding, that old Shipyards viaduct was taken down to help the creek flow better.  I really don't see what the big deal is about it.

The big deal is that the Public Trust is just being totally crushed in this community and the decisions are backroom deals that are circumventing the process and one doesn't have to look to far to see the recent city council disaster with ad volorem tax revenue with FIND. 2012-273. Who gets the credit for leaving $500,000 on the table? We are a joke.

5 hours out from a cleanup of Hogans Creek at Washington and Catherine. Anyone going? You can visually see for yourself the issue that will immediately exist. Please, on the next Urban Core Construction update show a picture from Bay St. and the restoration project of this dredge that was never before Waterways.     
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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #177 on: June 24, 2012, 06:37:29 AM »
I've already taken images for the next urban update.  If you can, take a picture while you're at the cleanup and email it to me.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #178 on: June 24, 2012, 07:15:00 AM »
Lake, your killing me. Your second home is the Jacksonville Historical Society you are probably in one of the best positions to be on this issue more than most people in this community. Hogans Creek is your backyard. I'm not picking on you but I must say that I'm in shock with another opportunity that is lost and no outrage from anyone from MJ.

Cleanup two hours out. Lets see who shows up. I know for me personally this will be one of the toughest years to tell the Commissioners of FIND that we are so LOST.

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Re: Exposing Hogans Creek
« Reply #179 on: June 24, 2012, 07:23:43 AM »
Lol, Noone, you're killing me, too.  I haven't witnessed a huge missed opportunity by the removal of the viaduct but if you think there was something lost, write about it and we'll run your story as a guest article.  Hundreds of people have taken advantage over the years, so the opportunity for you and your cause is there.  You just have to be willing to do it instead of waiting for others to do it for you.

You practically live in Hogans Creek.  JHS is more like my fourth or fifth home. I'm literally spend just as much time out of town as I do in it (not to mention everything I'm involved with when I'm here).  If you want something included in the construction update that you may have think I missed, help me out by snapping a shot and emailing or texting it to me.  I can't do it all alone.  It would be greatly appreciated. 
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