Wanted: Ideas for developing Cecil

[thelakelander]

Jacksonville needs to make a play for one (or more) of these auto plants.  Cecil is the perfect site and landing one would complement the recent port expansion announcements, bringing Jacksonville a level of economic prosperity that has never been witnessed locally before.

[thelakelander]

• Speaking of the JEDC, a group called First Coast Racing has approached the JEDC about its SunSpeed project, a concept that involves building a motorsports park at Cecil Commerce Center. The group would like to build four venues, attracting over 500,000 people annually. The project isn’t likely to happen, though. According to Barton, a motorsports park doesn’t fit into the development profile at Cecil.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/citynotes.php

[Jason]

I've been wondering if those guys were still on the prowl for a site.  The ideas they shared here a while back were very ambitious.

Maybe they'll chime in and give a few more details.


And if the city won't give them a shot at Cecil they should work to find them a suitable property elsewhere.

[copperfiend]

• Speaking of the JEDC, a group called First Coast Racing has approached the JEDC about its SunSpeed project, a concept that involves building a motorsports park at Cecil Commerce Center. The group would like to build four venues, attracting over 500,000 people annually. The project isn’t likely to happen, though. According to Barton, a motorsports park doesn’t fit into the development profile at Cecil.

What does fit in? 10 dollar an hour warehouse jobs?

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/citynotes.php

[JaxBorn1962]

• Speaking of the JEDC, a group called First Coast Racing has approached the JEDC about its SunSpeed project, a concept that involves building a motorsports park at Cecil Commerce Center. The group would like to build four venues, attracting over 500,000 people annually. The project isn’t likely to happen, though. According to Barton, a motorsports park doesn’t fit into the development profile at Cecil.

What does fit in? 10 dollar an hour warehouse jobs?

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/citynotes.php

Have you been out to (Cecil Commerce Center) I have let it be slow progress is better then putting the wrong development in and have it die. With the new exit up now at I 10 this area will begin to get busy the only problem I see is one day having this road 23 as a future toll road. Sure a lot of you will say well how do we pay for it? Well if we get the right companies in the New World Ave area have them pay some of it and a one cent tax hike for the rest. Do yourself a favor drive out there and see for yourself. Cecil will do just fine if we take are time with it as we have done.

[JeffreyS]

I believe the tolls will start south of New World ave so as not to hamper growth at Cecil.

[JaxBorn1962]

I believe the tolls will start south of New World ave so as not to hamper growth at Cecil.

Tolls are Dumb

[reednavy]

Do you provide any real, knowledgeable insight to this site?

All you say is tolls are dumb, well, maybe you are for failing to realize how the f*ck is that stupid Outer Beltway going to get paid for.

[vicupstate]

Tolls are dumb.  Raise the gas tax instead, and stop making people stop to pay a stupid toll.  Waste of gas and increased pollution, plus you have to pay the tollkeepers.  Gas tax is already levied, so there is no cost to collect the additional amount.  Jax did 'wonders' for its reputation with tolls in the past, why repeat that mistake?     

BTW, the Outer Beltway itself is a colousal waste to begin with.

A public/private toll road is just days away from defaulting on it's bond payments, here in Greenville.  Glad I didn't buy those bonds.  Another such project is in the same straits in Richmond, VA.  If the toll on the outer beltway is $30, or anything close to that, if will follow the same path.   

[reednavy]

There is just no real reasoning behind this project, as only about 5% of the metro area population would likely use it regularly, if that much.

[JaxBorn1962]

Tolls are dumb.  Raise the gas tax instead, and stop making people stop to pay a stupid toll.  Waste of gas and increased pollution, plus you have to pay the tollkeepers.  Gas tax is already levied, so there is no cost to collect the additional amount.  Jax did 'wonders' for its reputation with tolls in the past, why repeat that mistake?     

BTW, the Outer Beltway itself is a colousal waste to begin with.

A public/private toll road is just days away from defaulting on it's bond payments, here in Greenville.  Glad I didn't buy those bonds.  Another such project is in the same straits in Richmond, VA.  If the toll on the outer beltway is $30, or anything close to that, if will follow the same path.   

Thank You for you posting this is what I've been trying to say but I've been SHOT DOWN by the Know it All's. Jacksonville did have a Nasty time when we had Tolls even with these new easy pass stickers a lot of people will still have to stop and go if we use Tolls again. Once Again Thanks for your Post Jaxborn1962

[north miami]

When I think of "Cecil" I think of many things....the latest: Tri-Legacy
Recall Tri-Legacy?? I believe related to the Spence family....and the ShipYards....I believe even a hand at one time with Cecil at about the same time we were confident in our expectations with the ShipYards.
The connection was prophetic:The assumed development of Cecil was no more founded than the assumed wave of condos and all the other assumed waves never realized.Oh,Cecil had the assumed legitimacy of Government involvement.......but the 'buyers' never materialized and the 'demand' never quantified by the 'legitimate' government that is actually joined at the hip with the development community.
Military presence be darned.............."We" did back flips over the opportunity to see the restrictive land use foot print go away with the the demise of Cecil as a formal military operation.We see this dynamic to this day- potential harmful harmful new development proposals impacting Camp Blanding operations is a continual battle- the emaining undeveloped lands surrounding Camp Blanding are in big demand for State Conservarion & recreation purpose.Likely more such lands should have been incorporated in to the Cecil master Plan.Brannan/Chaffee and the "Beltway" are also key elements of the assumption mechanics.And related to the Beltway and the various Clay county booster planning events and dreams are the assumptions that in addition to the sprawling Cecil complex there will be more and more and more of what in Clay County?.....more:competition.
Even without a "Beltway" there presently exists outstanding Cecil Interstate access.Pro Beltway lobby efforts by 'trucking' interests will tarnish Cecil appeal,because much of this lobby effort stems from St.Johns county,which will take a swing at Cecil promotion efforts any time given a chance.
In conjunction with these realities and unfounded assumptions are the assumptions that every body in the world wants to do business and live here.Brannon/Chaffee and environs- although convenient for Cecil employees, is infact dealing with it's own being and a bunch of competition.Clay and Duval West Side development assumptions are considered a "dark horse" compared to Atlantic ocean beaches draw and the tidal wave of St.Johns County DRI.Prospective employers know some of this.They know when they are carefully shunted about in Chamber of Commerce carravan-careful detours away from 103rd. street,Cassat...the list of "do not show" is lengthy....and we assume the outward sprawl to 'better' will be never-ending.
The best proof of my premise: Consider how the Port of Jacksonville has made 'unexpected" leaps and bounds of progess and expansion.

[mtraininjax]

stop making people stop to pay a stupid toll

Who Stops to pay for a toll? SUN PASS BABY! 

[civil42806]

When I think of "Cecil" I think of many things....the latest: Tri-Legacy
Recall Tri-Legacy?? I believe related to the Spence family....and the ShipYards....I believe even a hand at one time with Cecil at about the same time we were confident in our expectations with the ShipYards.
The connection was prophetic:The assumed development of Cecil was no more founded than the assumed wave of condos and all the other assumed waves never realized.Oh,Cecil had the assumed legitimacy of Government involvement.......but the 'buyers' never materialized and the 'demand' never quantified by the 'legitimate' government that is actually joined at the hip with the development community.
Military presence be darned.............."We" did back flips over the opportunity to see the restrictive land use foot print go away with the the demise of Cecil as a formal military operation.We see this dynamic to this day- potential harmful harmful new development proposals impacting Camp Blanding operations is a continual battle- the emaining undeveloped lands surrounding Camp Blanding are in big demand for State Conservarion & recreation purpose.Likely more such lands should have been incorporated in to the Cecil master Plan.Brannan/Chaffee and the "Beltway" are also key elements of the assumption mechanics.And related to the Beltway and the various Clay county booster planning events and dreams are the assumptions that in addition to the sprawling Cecil complex there will be more and more and more of what in Clay County?.....more:competition.
Even without a "Beltway" there presently exists outstanding Cecil Interstate access.Pro Beltway lobby efforts by 'trucking' interests will tarnish Cecil appeal,because much of this lobby effort stems from St.Johns county,which will take a swing at Cecil promotion efforts any time given a chance.
In conjunction with these realities and unfounded assumptions are the assumptions that every body in the world wants to do business and live here.Brannon/Chaffee and environs- although convenient for Cecil employees, is infact dealing with it's own being and a bunch of competition.Clay and Duval West Side development assumptions are considered a "dark horse" compared to Atlantic ocean beaches draw and the tidal wave of St.Johns County DRI.Prospective employers know some of this.They know when they are carefully shunted about in Chamber of Commerce carravan-careful detours away from 103rd. street,Cassat...the list of "do not show" is lengthy....and we assume the outward sprawl to 'better' will be never-ending.
The best proof of my premise: Consider how the Port of Jacksonville has made 'unexpected" leaps and bounds of progess and expansion.

What?

[gatorback]

How about a temporary refugee camp or something modular and reconfigurable? Like a spot for FEMA to place mobile homes TEMPORARILY when the  fan hits the shizzle.