Was the Bus Shelter Story Misreported?

[Ocklawaha]

Ock, I don't get your point and I don't think you get mine.

I care that JTA allowed a decision to be made knowing that those making said decision were using the wrong numbers.

That is my point, THERE ARE NO WRONG numbers, just two ways to count and as a result each will needs be, reach a different CORRECT number.

OCKLAWAHA

[CS Foltz]

Guys...........this reminds me of math class............one problem, two methods to solve and two correct answers!There is only one simple way that I see to come up with information that is plain and simple............one bus and it own route, total trip length and number of stops on that one route back to starting point. Add number of passengers using that one route, each counting as one,no matter where on that route but if they do not ride back to the start line count them as 1/2 passenger or as 1/2 transfer to another bus. Seems to me that should be something closer to real life. Passengers are accounted for, bus is accounted for, mileage of bus is accounted for. Wheelchairs and bikes could be counted also to indicated disabled riders and biking passengers which shows rider spectrum.........for federal money and state subsidies.......something has to be done to consolidate, streamline or simplify accounting process!

[stjr]

That is my point, THERE ARE NO WRONG numbers, just two ways to count and as a result each will needs be, reach a different CORRECT number.

Ock, there are WRONG numbers when such numbers are used to misrepresent the basis for a decision.  We needed to know how many stops might need shelters and what it actually cost to maintain the average shelter.  JTA provided numbers that were useless for providing context in this regard.  Thus, the numbers were WRONG and JTA is responsible.

Your endless rehash of the numbers and refusal to admit JTA misled leaders is (1) not reflecting well on your keeping your eye on the ball or (2) shows too much eagerness by you to hitch your wagon to JTA and go down in flames with them.  Admission to Folio to further investigate this by JTA's board should provide you with an adequate clue that JTA's behavior doesn't pass the smell test.

Think of it this way:  You ask for a flat head screwdriver.  JTA gives you a Phillips head knowing you asked for a flat head.  Both are screwdrivers.  But, you got "screwed"  because you had the WRONG screwdriver to complete the task you were attempting.  Getting lectured on all the types of screwdrivers doesn't change the fact that JTA knowingly gave you the wrong one.

Like the example, JTA was requested to give appropriate information and didn't.  JTA flat out misrepresented the facts and no excuse or any post by you can change that FACT.  Lectures on obscure transportation accounting methods aren't relevant to this discussion because that isn't the issue.  I am sure JTA appreciates your valiant efforts but they won't cover for their misdeeds.

I hope the above works for you because I can't make it any clearer.

[zoo]

Ok, I'll admit I just skimmed all this talk of $73M for "more impactful" projects, the various types of transit miles and journalistic mis-representation. Is the JTA reconsidering doing this? To me that is the question (and if it's clarified further by meeting minutes or an actual conversation with Ava Parker, I apologize for asking it again).

IMHO, if JTA is reconsidering, it is very disappointing and makes clear how once again the weak leadership in NEFL is so easily swayed by pressure from GOB political advocacy groups (JaxPride is so proud the entire city will resemble A1A in Ponte Vedra -- a suburban, vanilla series of homogenous, gated communities).

Some advertising is trash, some advertising is art. Cross your fingers and hope we get more of the latter.

JTA, the posturing occurred, as did the vote -- you can do it, now do it.

[CS Foltz]

Both method's of passenger accounting bite the big one! JTA can hem and haw all they want......they have an agenda which does not include the public! We are just supposed to pay for everything and that is the extent of the public involvement!