State Rd 9B

[tufsu1]

As I have said before, with projects like 9B, our "planners" and politicos are not building for the community, they are building for special interests.[/b]

One more thing...there are quite a few planners, including myself, that are not big fans of SR 9B....but to say we are working for special interests is, in many cases, disingenuous...I have not received one phone call or e-mail from a developer or land use attorney in the area regarding SR 9B....and in fact my firm does just about no private-sector work in the area.

That said, I have run the numbers and looked at the land use forecasts and plans adopted by local governments...if these are in fact even close to on target, SR 9B will be needed to relieve congestion on I-95 (especially at the I-295 interchange) sooner rather than later....the other option would have been to widen both I-95 and I-295.

Sometimes planners are proactive, helping shape the community....other times we must be more reactive, responding to a particular issue or concern.

[thelakelander]

^Another option would be to provide commuter rail through that corridor and strengthening the multimodal connectivity in that area between the rail line and the existing road network.  However, you're right in that the land use forecasts and plans adopted by local governments in that area encourage the type of sprawl to feed and congest monsters like 9B.  Then a couple of years down the road, local government will be crying that revenue doesn't bring in the amount of money for the city to maintain itself.  Its like a bad dream and death cycle that never ends.

[north miami]

As I have said before, with projects like 9B, our "planners" and politicos are not building for the community, they are building for special interests.[/b]

One more thing...there are quite a few planners, including myself, that are not big fans of SR 9B....but to say we are working for special interests is, in many cases, disingenuous...I have not received one phone call or e-mail from a developer or land use attorney in the area regarding SR 9B....and in fact my firm does just about no private-sector work in the area.

That said, I have run the numbers and looked at the land use forecasts and plans adopted by local governments...if these are in fact even close to on target, SR 9B will be needed to relieve congestion on I-95 (especially at the I-295 interchange) sooner rather than later....the other option would have been to widen both I-95 and I-295.

Sometimes planners are proactive, helping shape the community....other times we must be more reactive, responding to a particular issue or concern.

Marching to the beat of "Forecasts"-Planners & Consultants joined at the hip with development interests and local government,interfacing with the 'public' injecting a self professed stern message of "inevitable" and an assumption that predetermined outcome will be granted by the public,the public often unaware of it's legal role and power in granting.

The role of State DCA-and attempts to circumvent the agency often so troubling to Planners & Consultants is telling.(Not that the dynamic has seen much 'press' to date)

Clay county section of the beltway could be named in honor of Genesis Group and Reinhold-

[tufsu1]

north miami....planners are no different than the general populace....we have varied opinions and beliefs.

[north miami]

north miami....planners are no different than the general populace....we have varied opinions and beliefs.

P.S.- the curious jog in the Beltway near the St.Johns County river shore could be named "Ringhaver Preserve Loop"

[TheProfessor]

More Sprawl!

[CS Foltz]

More sprawl, more concrete and still no option for mass transit in the form of rail! Cost per mile is lower from all of the figures that have been posted. Access into the Flagler Center should be paid for by Fortress since it is their development! I still have issue's with public funds being used to provide access to a private development! Not to mention, I would wager there are other things being planned for that area once 9B is in place!

[cline]

still no option for mass transit in the form of rail!

There is an 88' median, which would be enough to accomodate rail.

There is no money for that ramp that you keep referring to.  It is unfunded.

[tufsu1]

with all this talk about sprawl, it might be interesting to do another survey of MetroJacksonville posters to see where they live and work.

[thelakelander]

^That wouldn't lead to much because this city has an urban area on life support.  That life support status, limits options for those seeking to live an urban lifestyle.

[tufsu1]

^That wouldn't lead to much because this city has an urban area on life support.  That life support status, limits options for those seeking to live an urban lifestyle.

fine...maybe we can ask several questions...where do you live, where do you work, and where would you want to live.

from what I can see, many people who might support an urban lifestyle, have still chosen (for one reason or another) to live in what some would consider to be sprawl.

[thelakelander]

You're right.  However, we may find it has less to do with urban/suburban/sprawl and more to do with a city that doesn't realistically offer true urban living for all segments of the local population.

[Bike Jax]

If Jacksonville had it's head out it's collective ass when 295 was built and zoned everything outside of it as agricultural, there would be no need for 9A or 9B. Development would have been contained within 295 and we would still have local farming as a source food. 9B will eliminate the last remaining farms we have in N. FL. and officially put Jax in the running with L.A. for sprawl. Look how well it has worked out for them.

[copperfiend]

If Jacksonville had it's head out it's collective ass when 295 was built and zoned everything outside of it as agricultural, there would be no need for 9A or 9B. Development would have been contained within 295 and we would still have local farming as a source food. 9B will eliminate the last remaining farms we have in N. FL. and officially put Jax in the running with L.A. for sprawl. Look how well it has worked out for them.

How much farmland does 9B go through?

[British Shoe Company]

9B is good for NE Florida.  If anyone feels there are too many people in NE Florida, move to Wakulla, or Liberty County!