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Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« on: April 08, 2009, 09:34:15 PM »
Interesting story....

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A blogger critical of First Baptist Church Pastor Mac Brunson wants to know why his Web site was investigated by a police detective who is also a member of the minister’s security detail.

Thomas A. Rich also wants the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office to explain what suspected crimes led Detective Robert Hinson to open the probe into his once-anonymous Web site.

Rich also wants to know why Hinson revealed his name to the church despite finding no wrongdoing. Hinson obtained a subpoena from the State Attorney’s Office requiring Google Inc. to reveal the author of the blog.

Rich’s unmasking led to an eventual trespass warning banning the longtime member and his wife from First Baptist, despite the fact that Brunson and a top church administrator conceded the blog never threatened violence.

Rich said he mailed a complaint against Hinson to the Sheriff’s Office on Tuesday. It had not been received as of Wednesday afternoon.

The intelligence detective  opened the criminal investigation Sept. 29  into the identity and “possible criminal overtones” of the blog, www.fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com.

The Sheriff’s Office and church officials defended the complaint and investigation into Rich’s blog, which Hinson concluded Nov. 13.

Undersheriff Frank Mackesy said Hinson’s role posed no conflict of interest because his duties include handling possible threats against the city’s large religious institutions.

Rich said he was never contacted by Hinson. He learned of the investigation well after the church notified him Nov. 28 he had been identified as the blog’s author.

Two additional bloggers investigated by Hinson said they were also not contacted. They learned of the probe in middle or late March. Their blogs do not focus on First Baptist.

full article: http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-08/story/unmasked_blogger_blames_first_baptist_sheriffs_office
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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2009, 09:43:54 PM »
"The blog has included criticisms of Brunson’s $300,000 salary, his plan to open a church school, his construction of a “lavish” office suite, accepting a $307,000 land gift from church members for his home and putting his wife on the payroll."

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2009, 10:26:42 PM »
The distinction between church and state is blurry in Jacksonville.

I thought that JSO was a division of FBC anyway.

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 10:45:28 PM »
I guess the baptists need someone to explain the first amendment to them.  They want the ability to freely exercise their beliefs, and by that I mean screw up traffic downtown how many nights and mornings a week with their stupid orange cones, which really allows them to quickly get in and out of their tax free parking garages without having to pause for a traffic light or homeless person...and yet despite freedom of speech being a part of the same amendment, that is not allowed.  This type of "good ol boy" crap pisses me off.  These mega-churches are about as corrupt as the city government.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 10:50:10 PM »
I suppose by revealing my distaste for FBC, I should now worry about subpoenas exposing who I really am on MetroJax.  Midway and FSU, you better watch your backs too.   ;)

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2009, 11:04:53 PM »
That church is a major player in the reason why this city isn't more forward thinking in general. That almost cult just needs to go as much as John Peyton out of office.
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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2009, 11:12:01 PM »
Some of my best friends are good church members.  And churches do many good things for the community which I respect.  But, there should be a clear separation of church and state.  Many people and churches appreciate this because they are more concerned with the state regulating their church than the other way around and realize the danger of blurring the line.

Unfortunately, in this community, many don't see this line clearly.  I always ask church activists if they would accord a mosque or Muslim the same rights and privileges they ask for their church and religion.  I haven't found one that wanted to do that.  So, I ask, why should a person outside their faith want to give those rights and privileges to their religion and church?  The only answer, if any, I get is that majority rules.  So, I then ask, what if Muslims became the majority and you were the minority?  If I am fortunate, I see the light bulb finally go off. Alternatively, I get no response.

Based on this article, this appears to be, at best, a dangerous blurring of the church/state line and a possible abuse of the JSO officer's position.  I would hope that any church would be thick skinned enough to take some criticism and set an example for their parishioners in how to be bigger than the next person.  Clergy are public figures to many.  I am not a Biblical scholar, but I would guess that somewhere in the Bible is a verse that would suggest the right example for handling this problem is other than what transpired.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2009, 11:13:55 PM by stjr »
Hey!  Whatever happened to just plain ol' COMMON SENSE!!

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2009, 01:30:52 AM »
While this article was eye opening, I was really shocked by posts I read when checking out Mr. Rich's blog. Many of the preaching rants from the FBC faithful were truly frightening. I am non practicing now but was raised in a progressive Lutheran Church where members were kind, intelligent, non judgemental and accepting of others. I am so thankful I wasn't exposed to the craziness and hatred that is being taught as the word of God. Talk about wolves in sheeps clothing.

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2009, 02:26:07 AM »
This is so sad to hear.  I do not know much about First Baptist Church, but I never hear anything about how they support the development of downtown.  I would think they would want to act as catalysts to increase downtown living and the vitality of the surrounding urban fabric.  From what I hear on here it sounds like they are only out for themselves and all others will be ignored.  Very opportunist sounding...Not JESUS like at all

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 07:50:33 AM »
I read this in todays paper... Wow... just plain Wow.  Where does Rutherford stand on this?  Peyton?  Thank you must also go out to Google for complete and utter failure to protect anonymity.  Clearly First baptist is out of control... >:(
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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2009, 08:23:37 AM »
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It is no secret that Mac Brunson and the FBC Jax administration wanted very much to know my identity. Deacons have said so, that for over a year the church was working to find out my identity - Mac has even told deacons that the blogger was a disgruntled homosexual. Mac himself, just ONE WEEK before the Deacons 2009-1 Resolution was passed, preached on "Kingdom Killjoys", which he said were people in his church that take insignificant problems at the church, who blow them up into something big, and then talk about it to someone else to try to "rob their joy". His instructions to his church leaders, should they encounter such troublemakers was that they should be "SHUT DOWN", followed by a pregnant pause for effect. Watch it for yourself at the link below. Is this an example of a humble, patient, loving pastor teaching his people to love others, even those who might ask questions that he doesn't like? It looks and sounds to me to be a pastor who wishes to shut down people in an unloving, harsh manner, and has the audacity to instruct from the pulpit his leaders in the church to shut down people who are asking questions he doesn't like.

<a href="http://images.multiply.com/multiply/multv.swf?first_video_id=fbcjaxwatchdog:video:34&amp;base_uri=multiply.com&amp;is_owned=1&amp;security=7AsOc0xKp0h5rny3wPBpJw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://images.multiply.com/multiply/multv.swf?first_video_id=fbcjaxwatchdog:video:34&amp;base_uri=multiply.com&amp;is_owned=1&amp;security=7AsOc0xKp0h5rny3wPBpJw</a>

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 08:40:25 AM »
That church is a major player in the reason why this city isn't more forward thinking in general.

They might even be the main reason. Remember when Jerry Vines was trying to stop the city from allowing alcohol consumption outside during Super Bowl week?

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 08:41:26 AM »
It appears that First Baptist Church has successfully amplified the message of http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com to every media outlet in the city.

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 09:03:59 AM »
I suppose by revealing my distaste for FBC, I should now worry about subpoenas exposing who I really am on MetroJax.  Midway and FSU, you better watch your backs too.   ;)
What the hell, being Catholic and Gay I already have 2 strikes against me in the minds of FBC anyway. Might as well go for the trifecta. The hypocrisy of this church is so blatant. By the way, the only amendment that they care about is the one that kept me from getting married. Hail Mary, full of grace, oops! My Bad! It is truly amazing how much influence this church still has over this city.

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Re: Unmasked blogger blames First Baptist, Sheriff's Office
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2009, 09:12:57 AM »
I want to thank Thomas A. Rich and http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com for shedding light on this group.  This is a clear attempt at intimidation and I hope Mr Rich has the strength to continue.  This may also be an abuse of power by JSO.  We have lawyers who read this... Any opinions?
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