Replace Outer Beltway with New Link To Gainesville, I-75, Tampa

[jandar]

Most of the Branan Field corridor was designed to fix the flaws of Fleming Island.
Hell, even the WalMart off of Blanding is nicer than most you see (at least from the outside).

Many of the meetings I went to,  Fleming Island was pointed at as what not to do.
The branan field master plan is still being worked off of and not forgotten.

http://clayedo.com/images/branan%20field%20master%20plan.pdf
If you notice, Oakleaf is not part of the Master Plan.

Granted, Clay has a ways to go, but they at least are thinking about it.

[tufsu1]

thanks for the link jandar....of course CS will still say they have no plan or vision!

[CS Foltz]

tufsu1 as far as the City of Jacksonville is concerned .....I stand by my post...........no vision or plan. It is refreshing to see that other parts of Florida are taking into consideration urban sprawl, road planning and the like! I still would be more comfortable with something overseeing the continuity and interaction between the various agencies and not sure as to what would be the best way to do that. I look at what is trying to take place in the Orlando region but still have reservations about how that will come into being not only as a viable people moving system but something cost effective for the money it will cost!

[thelakelander]

To be real, the linked plan is really drawn at a 10,000 foot level and does nothing to ensure the integration of land uses and mixed use development, in a walkable fashion, at the pedestrian scale.  From what's shown, it could be no different from another Oakleaf or Nocatee or in other words, master planned sprawl instead of piecemeal.  Anyway, I hope I'm wrong for Clay County's sake.

[cline]

I still would be more comfortable with something overseeing the continuity and interaction between the various agencies and not sure as to what would be the best way to do that.

In my opinion, the North Florida TPO is attempting to play this role.  The major obstacle is that since the TPO is made up of stakeholders from various counties and cities, it becomes difficult to build consensus.

[CS Foltz]

Cline.......I tend to agree with you! NFTPO is somewhat biased but it is transportation oriented and not urban oriented. Developers do their thing off of roads (Nocatee comes to mind for an example) and the original road was just a simple two lane that crossed a drawbridge heading into Jax Beach backside. Fancy new high rise bridge goes in and poof.........here comes Nocatee into life! Somehow with the proposed 9A and 9B extensions being pushed, makes me wonder just who owns that area and how do they plan to profit from our tax dollars putting those roads in? As far as I know .....there is no public/private enterprise being used.....just our tax dollars hard to work being used to profit others!

[jandar]

Lake,

http://www.claycountygov.com/Departments/Planning_Zoning/Plans_and_Amendments/Branan_Field_Plan/BRANAN%20FIELD%20LDRs.pdf

This includes such things as amount of parking spaces for food places, to signage, mandating reclaimed water use for irrigation, requiring that no more than 1% of external lighting goes beyond horizontal....

A quote from the PDF:

The intent of the Branan Field Master Plan is to develop a pedestrian-friendly and walkable community. The strip shopping centers of other corridors in the County are geared to the automobile.

Oakleaf Town Center is in Duval County, and Oakleaf is not part of the Branan Field Plan.

[Ocklawaha]

Why not a 5 train daily, EACH WAY, "San Joaquin" style Florida Amtrak service from Jacksonville Terminal, Baldwin, Starke, Alachua, Gainesville? Sure would be a lot less money and after the coctail party, we could pour them on the train and send em back to school.

OCKLAWAHA

[thelakelander]

jandar, thanks for the link.  Its good to see that has been included for future development in that section of Clay County.

[north miami]

I can't believe these posts....on the other hand,even tho "MJ" the roadway outlook is typically poor.

The Jax/Tampa concept went full speed ahead - for a time- during the Martinez administration.

The driver had always been Clay County/Braannon-Chaffee. And Reinhold.
The route proposal would have swung southwesterly across Black Creek and on toward the Gainesville area.
A series of public hearings were held...Gainesville and Micanopy area in militant-and very knowledgeable-opposition.
Palatka said "Yea!"....but all of a sudden we were no longer oriented towards "Tampa".

You would find the Gainesville region to be even more capable today in fighting back these decades old dreams of a different season.

[north miami]

Brannan/Chaffee  "walkable" & "pedestrian friendly"

Certainly.The great Brannon/Chaffee sales job-all under the guise of "Growth Mangement"- will some day become clear.

'The more they spoke of their honor-the more we checked on our belongings'

Good job Planners & Consultants.

And the Clay county public workshop participants also said they wanted the place to be like Avondale.

[Ocklawaha]

I keep hearing about this highway idea, just what we need another expressway up Black Creek... Besides a look at any of these photos should convince any of you that the highway is ALREADY THERE! Bet UF and Gainesville Transit and the COG, would completely get behind this idea.


OCKLAWAHA

[north miami]

To Brannon/Chaffee sector plan credit note there is right of way reserve concept for rail.

The perfect B/C sprawl storm was perfectly packaged.

[north miami]

in the Outer Beltway Dreamers thread stjr asks"'Bottom line,how do we kill the beltway for good?"

As I have noted, the legally binding "No Build" option quietly came and went, the beltway emerged as commom knowledge at exactly the time it is 'too late'.

With tongue in cheek,I suggest the way to 'kill' it:
Promote the old Jax/Tampa route with zeal and affection.....,and let the Gainesville area kill it.

Maybe not so tongue in cheek- seems diabolical enough to be worth some zeal.

[stjr]

I keep hearing about this highway idea, just what we need another expressway up Black Creek... Besides a look at any of these photos should convince any of you that the highway is ALREADY THERE! Bet UF and Gainesville Transit and the COG, would completely get behind this idea.

Ock, a rail link from Gainesville to a US17/Roosevelt & I295 "station", a Downtown "station", and near the Airport would be a boon all.  We get UF access and resources and the benefits of Gainesville residents visiting DT Jax, buying Jags tix, and boosting traffic at JIA to support more flights and Gainesville get's "big city" amenities and a real airport for travel.  Extend the line down to Ocala and open some more doors.  Tampa would be the brass ring.

By the way, what would you figure the travel time by such a train from DT Gainesville to I-295, DT Jax, and JIA would be?