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Author Topic: Long Day's Journey Into Plight. Stephen Dare Wrassles the Transit System.  (Read 6220 times)
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2008, 09:55:03 AM »

How exciting.  I need to take a train somewhere just for the heck of it.  I've not been on a train since the Amtrak Accela from Boston to New York trip in 2000.  Has much changed since then?
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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2008, 10:39:05 AM »

Amtrak was freaking awesome.

It was 78 dollars to get to Boca Raton via rail, and the train was about the most comfortable travel with the exception of Cruise Ships that Ive ever been on.

The seats make all the difference, as they pretty much have all the range of a lazy boy in your living room.  Super comfy and enough room to almost completely recline.

The aisles are wide enough for a couple of people to walk down, and there is complete freedom of movement on the train, with no annoying 'remain seated' announcements being made.

The coolest thing is that you can walk the entire length of the train from car to car.

And in fact most people do, if only because they want to hang out in the dining car.

For the money and the experience, absolutely nothing beats travel by rail.  I didnt even take advantage of any of the discounts (booking ahead, student, senior, and military discounts etc) and there werent any extra fees, like taxes or port fees.

Just 78 dollars in cash.

tremendous experience actually.   
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2008, 11:55:48 PM »

I took Amtrak to NYC several years ago when my flight was canceled and it was a lot of fun.  The bar car was great (and it helped with sleep later).  The food was good.  We met some European travelers and some interesting Americans also.  It was fun.  And we were in NYC in the morning.

Now, train travel to an area without its own mass transit system would not be so good.  You would have to rent a car when you arrived, I guess.
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« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2008, 12:01:04 AM »

I can't wait for an express Amtrak to Miami. I wish they would bring back the New Orleans run.
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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2008, 10:39:15 AM »

I return from Boca Raton this week, Is there any particular travel from one part of town to another that anyone would particularly like to see?
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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2008, 12:41:09 PM »

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How exciting.  I need to take a train somewhere just for the heck of it.  I've not been on a train since the Amtrak Accela from Boston to New York trip in 2000.  Has much changed since then?



Where's the baggage car? In a line of 200 other junk cars? yep!

Oh yes, the BUSH that followed CLINTON/GORE years at Amtrak. Let's look at 16 years of decay.

How much has changed?

Car Fleet has shrunk due to non-available maintenance funding, minor accidents (like switch yard scrapes and bumps = the railroad equivalent to parking lots), have greatly reduced the number of train cars, resulting in shorter trains and premature sell-out of seat stock.

Schedules have been cut to bone, in attempts to save money, the system has gone from connectivity to abandoned routes, stations and time slots. Leaving many communities and many route options dead.

Under Clinton/Gore the "Roads and Bridges" nonsense only hastened the Republicans attack on rail. Nationwide a creative system of "out of the box" thinking called AMTRAK EXPRESS was killed. Hundreds of road-railers, baggage cars, express high speed box cars, platforms, forklift stations, rail-truck agreements, new refrigerator express companies, food service and electronic firms were left at the platform. A major source of revenue for the passenger train was killed with a spin called "We are a passenger carrier, we shouldn't be in the freight business..." Got news for y'all, pull the US MAIL or express out from under your local US AIR, SOUTHWEST or DELTA flights and see how long they last.... Bottom line, the DEATH of Amtrak Express.

A national bi-partisan bill went sailing past that put Amtrak on a ruler of profit and loss per route, by the first years of Bush, the PALMETTO, Tampa-Jax-NYC; The Silver Star (split) Jax-Waldo (Gainesville)- Ocala- Tampa were both abandoned. Ocala, where the state spent MILLIONS rebuilding the old Union Station into a "Transportation Center" suddenly had a fancy bus station. CSX claimed it needed this, because all of the freight would now go down the center of the State... BULL ****.  Meanwhile the facilities to maintain the PALMETTO or turn it in Jacksonville, the dining car commissary, food freezers, express loading docks, lifts, crew base etc... sit in decay. The train now runs NYC to Savannah!

Salt Lake City - Vegas - Los Angeles
Salt Lake City - Boise - Portland
New Orleans - Jacksonville - Orlando (it should have NEVER gone to Orlando, rather used our connections in JAX)
Jacksonville - Tampa (via central Florida)
ALL ABANDONED to improve Roads and Bridges.

Schedules continued to go to hell in a hand-basket. Try riding that train out of Austin, Texas. Amtrak is at the mercy of UNION PACIFIC, an openly hostile host. So U.P. (AKA: "Uncle Pete") has gotten used to being horrible and getting away with it. Run it late, run it sloppy, cause it to crawl, and the passengers (and thus the support) will just go away. Suddenly we hear talk that Amtrak LAW might get enforced! MIGHT!??? Enforced? Wow, that would make a change. Funny when Uncle Pete has PV on the train, it can run up to the second...

The new Amtrak funding is the first and ONLY time that the system has EVER gotten close to what is needed. Miles of "bad order" passenger cars in long dead lines wait at the shops. This is going to be very interesting. We MUST be pro-active to get our service back and make Jacksonville the hub it has always been.

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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2008, 11:46:43 AM »

Well, today I picked up a listing of the new schedules which will be implemented on August 25th at the FCCJ Station downtown.

There is a table with all of the new schedules (printed on yellow paper) at the station.  The set up is weird.  I sometimes wonder if the JTA will ever get the hang of how to properly communicate with the public.

The info table was supplied with a huge laminated poster with a happy graphic of a bumble bee buzzing along.  "Bee Prepared!" is the basic slogan.  Despite the fact that one would immediately assume that the JTA had gone into the purified honey business, it was at least properly positioned and there was a real live supervisor guy there on hand to explain the route changes.

However, the marketing department, after having produced a slick and attractive sign and set up, failed to provide the station with the necessary materials to properly mount the appealing graphics.  Apparently there was nothing to hang the sign with, so the engineers rounded up a roll of silver duct tape and with liberal swaths of the iniquitous stuff he taped the shit out of it and secured it over the regular route map graphics.

Nothing says potential abduction victim quite like duct tape.

Luckily the fellow himself was charming enough to make up for the shanty town approach.

I am reading over the various schedule changes right now.

One thing for the positive though, they are changing the names of the 'trolley' routes.

Gone are the subdivision place names.  No more 'magnolia', 'azalea' or 'sunflower' routes.

Instead there will be the Bay Street Trolley, the Ocean and Forsythe Trolley and the Riverside Trolley.

Thats a change that needed made for a while.

I hardly knew myself which botanical symbol of the south i was supposed to mount and ride to get to any designated point.

On first blush it seems like they have changed the Crime Line.

More in a while.
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2008, 12:03:25 PM »

What is JTA's operating plan for Tropical Storm Fay? There doesn't seem to be any updates on their website about it.
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2008, 12:04:48 PM »

Ill call and see if there is one.  BRB.
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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2008, 12:07:07 PM »

I waited for Glenda.

As she answered again, he was yelling maniacally in the background.

"I don't know who YOU are!? I don't know who YOU are!?"  he was going on, "Well YOU don't know who I am!"

"Hello, Glenda, this is me again."

"Is that the driver still?"   she asked incredulously.

"Sure is."  By now he had started calling me a liar.

"Can you hold on, I'm going to get my supervisor"

There was a series of clicks and beeps and of course the ranting and raving of the by now, thoroughly exercised bus driver.

"Oh yes!  Oh yes!  Wait till you learn MY name!  Then you will recognize."

Was he Blaylock's son? I wondered?

I checked his badge.  It was 1995, and he wasnt wearing his name tag.

As though reading my mind, customer service asked the bus number and his name.  I told her and added that my cell phone was dying.

Glenda asked my phone number to call back and I gave it to her.

At that moment, the line went dead again.  I cursed the connection.

"AhA!"  the driver said triumphantly.  "Now we'll see!"  He added leeringly.

"Don't you think this is a little too much drama over one customer riding the bus?"  I asked him, genuinely curious to know.

His radio made an insistent noise.  Deciding to fry my hash later, he picked up the line.

His voice got low and then I heard him demanding a supervisor to drive out.  He pronounced every syllable of the word with malevolence:  Su.  Per.  Vize.  Er.  He repeated the word several times.

I surmised that he was afraid that they hadn't understood him the first few times.

My cell phone rang.  He jumped up.

"This is probably Ms. Brooks now."  I informed him hoping it would have a chilling effect.

It didnt.

He didn't care WHAT Ms. Brooks had to say.  He didn't Care WHO I was talking to.  He said "I Don't Care WHO youre talking to!  I'll tell her to her FACE.  I DON'T care!"

"Is that the bus driver?"  asked Ms. Brooks.

I sighed with relief.  Maybe I wasn't destined to die like a dog on the side of a highway today after all.  On the westside no less.  As readers of this blog know, Ms. Brooks is the Director of Customer Service.  I was saved.

Even so, this nonsense went on for the next thirty minutes.   We left the side of the road and he drove to FCCJ Cecil Campus.   Scowling horribly at me he stormed off and disappeared on campus.

Time passed.

More time passed.

The car belonging to the JTA supervisor wheeled into the parking lot.

There was discussion between the bus driver (whose name I didnt manage to get) and the supervisor.

A call came in on the last gasp of my cell phone's charge.

It was a gracious apology on behalf of the JTA and a guarantee of transit back downtown.

We rode together on in silence.

Finally at 8:00 or so, having left the Equestrian Center at 4:25 I arrived downtown, caught the bus to Springfield without incident and joined the public meeting of Metrojacksonville.com at HOLA.

Which by the way, was one hell of an experience.

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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2008, 12:10:14 PM »

I had to find out from sources other than the JTA that the cause of this egregious behaviour is NOT the fault of the JTA management, but rather from the Bus Driver's Union.

Apparently, the union does not feel that customer service or actually providing the public with the service we are paying for is in the top 10 list of concerns that they should be having.

The Union rules, rather than JTA policy, are what make this shocking exchange possible in the first place.

It seems like there should be a public advocate at these contract negotiations.

Unbelievable really.
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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2008, 01:06:43 PM »

What is JTA's operating plan for Tropical Storm Fay? There doesn't seem to be any updates on their website about it.

I just got off the phone with JTA.  The public Safety officer is meeting with the EOC (Emergency Operations Center) right now to work out a plan.

When he gets out of the meeting he will call back, but at present no cohesive plan is worked out.
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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2008, 04:12:40 PM »

http://news.jacksonville.com/transit/

for those of you who like the equestrian center saga, here is a link to the uninterrupted story on jacksonville.com!
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« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2008, 09:15:37 PM »

For those of you linking here from the Times Union, welcome to the site and check out the rest of the threads.   You will find a whole lot more where this came from.
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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2008, 07:44:01 AM »

I had to find out from sources other than the JTA that the cause of this egregious behaviour is NOT the fault of the JTA management, but rather from the Bus Driver's Union.

Apparently, the union does not feel that customer service or actually providing the public with the service we are paying for is in the top 10 list of concerns that they should be having.

The Union rules, rather than JTA policy, are what make this shocking exchange possible in the first place.

It seems like there should be a public advocate at these contract negotiations.

Unbelievable really.


Another example of Unions benefiting only those within the union... Business and consumers suffer at the hands of unions...

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