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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2008, 09:49:30 AM » |
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And if we can work out some partnerships and be creative with the skyway stations, that would also help cut costs. Can any of them be worked into an existing building or new construction? We want to be creative and make every effort to make the system unique and usable for many people.
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2008, 09:57:03 AM » |
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Sure. Both the Detroit Peoplemover and Miami Metromover go through buildings. Btw, the developers of the Bay Street Station project plan to directly connect their building to the Jefferson Street Station. Detroit Peoplemover going into a Courtyard by Marriott hotel.  |
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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2008, 09:59:08 AM » |
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Jackson Square looked awesome in it's cut down form, it seems to have gone from 6-8 floors to about 3-4.
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Hey Ock -- really? There are now detailed drawings that commit Jackson Square to 3-4 stories? |
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2008, 10:09:54 AM » |
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The drawings were massing models. Under the existing zoning they can build buildings as high as 60 feet. However, the massing models of Jackson Square had the buildings in the 4 story range.
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2008, 10:12:38 AM » |
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Don't know how detailed the finished drawings are, but we did see a work up of an "original" conception then a much lower, reduced size village. These were renderings and not plans, but he did say that lenders were not hearing ANYTHING with the words residential in them, thus the size cut? Anyway, the impression I came away with is, if we were still in the housing boom, y'all would have 10 story neighbors, but current economics makes that impossible.
Lake was I reading into this more? OR, is this pretty much correct as you heard it from an Urban Designer standpoint?
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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2008, 10:18:29 AM » |
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And if we can work out some partnerships and be creative with the skyway stations, that would also help cut costs. Can any of them be worked into an existing building or new construction? We want to be creative and make every effort to make the system unique and usable for many people. YOU are dead on target my friend! You and Carlton Jones, of Bay Street Station. His project INCLUDES the Skyway, not as a front yard feature, but as a CONNECTED PART of the buildings. I just home Kings Avenue Station, and perhaps Hyatt, is watching him, because this is golden.
FYI FOLKS, my opinion is that we should try and go OVER I-95 in the Southbank, with the Skyway. Yes it would cost a small amount more, but I'm telling you, when JOE EXECUTIVE and the family (who are sick of Jersey City) come flying through on the super-slab headed to Disney... PRICELESS! OCKLAWAHA |
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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2008, 10:20:21 AM » |
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Don't know how detailed the finished drawings are, but we did see a work up of an "original" conception then a much lower, reduced size village. It appears that there aren't any detailed construction documents at this point. I can't imagine that they would spend money on detailed construction documents without having an approved PUD zoning first. It was a conceptual massing model to show what they could build under the existing zoning CCG-2. The second plan was what they were proposing to build. These were renderings and not plans, but he did say that lenders were not hearing ANYTHING with the words residential in them, thus the size cut? Carlton Jones (Bay Street Station) mentioned that the lenders did not favor condos in their building. The Jackson Square project will be apartments/office space mixed with street level retail. |
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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2008, 01:27:07 PM » |
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Thanks for the upload of those new Jackson Sq. renderings. The neighbors haven't seen anything that specific.
So, did Cissel seem to say they're now moving toward the 3-4 story one (the larger of the two you showed) or the taller version? The 3-4 story looks so much less imposing.
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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2008, 02:24:50 PM » |
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They are moving forward with the 4 story plan.
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2008, 11:01:26 AM » |
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thanks for the help Lake...it was still a challenge to export them from the presentation (it was pps not ppt)...but here are the pics...   I apologize for the different sizes...this was not on purpose to sway people one way or the other...I just made a mistake in downsizing the one pic |
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2008, 02:50:54 PM » |
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First, I want to give a quick thanks to southerngirl for telling me to come over and check out this thread.
I agree that the 3 to 4 floors plan looks much nicer. It also appear that the residential building has a large center courtyard area for the residents. I think that should be good for those who live there and nearby neighbors.
Apartments can be ok if the ownership does some decent screening.
A few of the right retail stores could help some in the San Marco cut down driving when going to shop.
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