Transit Oriented Development Workshop coming in August

[thelakelander]

For those that are interested in Transit Oriented Development happening locally, the American Planning Association and COJ will be hosting a workshop. 

[Jason]

I'm impressed.  Looks like the $10 fee will be worth it.

[hanjin1]

I saw some old car lots that were being demolished in that area. I guess they have started.

[stephendare]

Bay Street Station?

Kings Avenue Station?

Jackson Square in San Marco?

Carlton Jones is the speaker??

Arent there any local TOD success stories?

[thelakelander]

There are historical local success stories, but the streetcar lines that created Jacksonville's original TODs were pulled up or paved over in the 1930s.

[stephendare]

Maybe a discussion of those would be in order.

I suppose that, as usual, you have some of those in mind?

I bet ock is probably cholic with examples, just waiting to sneeze them out.

[tufsu1]

Bay Street Station?
Kings Avenue Station?
Jackson Square in San Marco?
Carlton Jones is the speaker??

Arent there any local TOD success stories?

The purpose of the workshop is to talk about what's going on nationally....primarily new developments...as such, the City asked that some local developers be included.

[stephendare]

Ah, it looks as though they are featured speakers for some reason.

[tufsu1]

they do have a speaking slot...as does JTA and FDOT...but the featured speaker is a national expert from D.C.

[Ocklawaha]

Maybe a discussion of those would be in order.

I suppose that, as usual, you have some of those in mind?

I bet ock is probably cholic with examples, just waiting to sneeze them out.

LMAO

I took a trip on the Ortega car line as well as what is left of Murray Hill and Edison-Lackawanna before I get the new digital camera. But needless to say, they are all lined with cool neighboorhood friendly developments from back in the day. Even more interesting, with a couple of exceptions nothing but decay has taken place since the streetcars went down. This would make an interesting article in light of this up coming meeting.

OCKLAWAHA

[stephendare]

I can't think of anything more appropriate.

I wonder if you could put together a retro TOD list Ock?

Certainly the Five Points strip itself must have been included along that line.  I cannot imagine 1920s commercial development that didnt take transit into consideration.

But to be able to follow a retro TOD and then show how long lasting they ended up being or how fragile as the case might be.

Certainly thats got to be more relevant than the most visible example of failure and boondogglery in the sad history of transit, the Kings Avenue station.

Although to be fair to Carlton, it does seem as though the JTA went out of their way to sabotage any hope of success by simply not supervising the Skyway, allowing it to be locked at 6 pm and on the weekends, thereby turning the parking garage into an elaborate trap.

(you would think that the operators would at least have had the presence of mind to videotape reactions of angry, despairing commuters who have just realized that their car is parked miles away and they are effectlively locked out of retrieving it, for later profitable playback on the web.)

[Ocklawaha]

Sounds cool, got the camera, you game for going along, someone taking notes (we can pull dates later) and one catching photos? I know the car lines.

Ocklawaha

[Ocklawaha]

Certainly thats got to be more relevant than the most visible example of failure and boondogglery in the sad history of transit, the Kings Avenue station.

Although to be fair to Carlton, it does seem as though the JTA went out of their way to sabotage any hope of success by simply not supervising the Skyway, allowing it to be locked at 6 pm and on the weekends, thereby turning the parking garage into an elaborate trap.

Well said, but the single most stunning thing about that project is stopping the Skyway short of the Garage, and putting the garage in a roadway no-mans land, without access or exit from 95, Beach/Atlantic. If and when they re-re-re-do the interchanges, lets hope they build NB/SB ramps to and from 95. A remake of Kings Avenue with easy access would do wonders for the whole area and jump start mass transit. I'd bet money that park and ride would soar![/color][/b]

Ocklawaha

[Ocklawaha]

I wonder if you could put together a retro TOD list Ock?

Ortega Village
Fairfax
Fishweir
park on Herschel
Avondale (note the divided road west of the "village" ends at Herschel, the car line and the GATE.)
King Street
Oak
5-Points
(new buildings across line where it went from Oak to May)
May st. all along
May and Forest (blue building with odd angle in it (duh, trolley line)
Then through the dead meadows of Brooklyn *car barn where the skyway facility is today

Edgewood at the Railroad? Ditto,
Railroad to College
College
jog to Dellwood
to Forest
to Myrtle (subway)
to Bay
to Riverside

Raiload shops to McDuff
Mc Duff to Edison
Edison to Forest
Forest to May
May to car barn

Hundreds of period building clusters along these routes, sadly many on Forest and Dellwood are under the freeway today. Brooklyn is gone, and May cut up.

BTW: JEA told me the high power 13,000 KV transmission lines were/are in pipe along the streetcar routes, except where they went overhead out of town. Streetcars typically run on 600 volt DC. but can be AC powered. AC traction is much newer and requires more volts, DC ramps up the amps for Air Conditioning systems... but all in all, I'm of the opinion if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Do the DC, any kid that EVER had a battery powered toy could work on it!

Ocklawaha

[stephendare]

Ock, I would love to go along with you and catalog.

Anyone good with photos?