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« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2017, 09:01:37 AM »
Awesome news, can't wait to hear what the plan is.

Any guesses on use?

Rumor I heard is a Marriott Delta, which is a quasi ownership and business travel hotel.  Makes sense for an event driven location.

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« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2017, 12:53:28 PM »
^It would make sense since Marriott/Starwood has zero presence downtown from any of their combined 30 brands.

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« Reply #92 on: September 01, 2017, 07:42:39 PM »
Thanks, it was also interested to see the part of evacuation as well. Houston's mayor is going to take some major heat for telling people to stay put.

Rightfully so. I thought that was a very stupid decision. Talking about 'the highways would have been clogged'. Well what's worse, a chance to get out, or being a sitting duck? In contrast, Mayor Curry made the correct decision calling for an evacuation despite Mathew staying off coast; it could have easily hit us, but thankfully it stayed out in the Atlantic.

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« Reply #93 on: September 01, 2017, 09:02:30 PM »
Rightfully so. I thought that was a very stupid decision. Talking about 'the highways would have been clogged'. Well what's worse, a chance to get out, or being a sitting duck?

Well the counter-argument is that far more people would have died. So sure, some people could escape but far more would be in a much more dangerous position.

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« Reply #94 on: September 01, 2017, 09:22:49 PM »
That's dumb, if you're worried about road congestion, then evacuate in zones, look at the mess their in now. Sorry off topic back to Berkman

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« Reply #95 on: September 01, 2017, 09:24:59 PM »
^Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Thanks, it was also interested to see the part of evacuation as well. Houston's mayor is going to take some major heat for telling people to stay put.

Rightfully so. I thought that was a very stupid decision. Talking about 'the highways would have been clogged'. Well what's worse, a chance to get out, or being a sitting duck? In contrast, Mayor Curry made the correct decision calling for an evacuation despite Mathew staying off coast; it could have easily hit us, but thankfully it stayed out in the Atlantic.

You can't evacuate 6.5 million people on those roads. In the aftermath of Katrina in 2005, Houston learned that lesson the hard way. When Rita looked like it was going to directly hit Houston, city officials ordered the largest evacuation in U.S. history. 3.4 million were ordered to leave. Traffic was gridlocked for over 100 miles, for days. It was 100 degrees outside, there was no fuel to be had anywhere, and cars were so low on fuel that they couldn't turn on their AC. When the cars ran out of gas, they were abandoned on the highway, worsening the traffic jam. 140 people were dead in the evacuation before the storm even came ashore.

Sure, the mayor's taking heat, but it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

In my opinion, he was absolutely right in his actions.

45 people died by staying put, but the real sitting ducks would have been the people stuck on the roads when the crippling gridlock and subsequent storm rolled through.
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« Reply #96 on: September 01, 2017, 09:28:00 PM »
Yes but are 6.5 millions homes underwater? Those people should have been evacuated!

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« Reply #97 on: September 01, 2017, 09:35:17 PM »
^Nobody could have anticipated that much rainfall.

Great Op-Ed in the New York Times by Bill King, who lost the 2015 mayoral race to Houston's current mayor.

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/opinion/harvey-flooding-mayor-evacuation.html?mcubz=1

Houston’s Mayor Was Right to Not Evacuate
By BILL KING
AUGUST 28, 2017

As the rains from Tropical Storm Harvey continue to pound Houston, stranding thousands of people in their homes, a question has emerged: Should local officials, particularly Mayor Sylvester Turner, have ordered mandatory evacuations?

The answer is absolutely not.

It is logistically impossible to evacuate millions of people from low-lying coastal areas ahead of a major hurricane. The disastrous evacuation in preparation for Hurricane Rita in 2005 proved the case.

Hours before the hurricane hit 2.5 million Texans fled town at the same time, according to The Houston Chronicle. This caused enormous, daylong traffic jams. While stranded on highways, people were injured or killed from heat stroke. Others got in fights. And a bus that was transporting elderly people from a nursing home exploded, killing 23 people.

In total, some 130 people died in that evacuation, more than have ever perished in a hurricane in the state’s history, with the exception of the 1900 Galveston storm. Of those deaths, about half occurred before the storm hit Texas.

After Hurricane Rita, I served on a governor’s commission that studied what went wrong in the evacuation. In 2005, I headed a regional task force that held hearings for hundreds of hours, for nearly a year. The work of that commission became the basis for new evacuation plans that proved reasonably effective for the Hurricane Ike evacuation in 2008. I can tell you from that experience, any attempt to evacuate Houston ahead of Tropical Storm Harvey would have made the situation much worse and almost certainly resulted in more deaths.

I narrowly lost in a runoff to Mr. Turner in the December 2015 mayoral race. While he and I certainly have our political and policy differences, the current suggestion in the news media that he should have called for an evacuation of Houston is absurd.

Attempting to evacuate areas that might be affected by localized flooding because of rainfall is an entirely different problem from evacuating areas in danger of flooding by storm surge, the rise in seawater level caused by a storm’s winds pushing water onshore. We can predict with reasonable accuracy what areas will be flooded by storm surge based on the forecast and elevations. But flooding from rainfall is highly unpredictable and variable based on the dynamics of each particular rain event. Rarely will we know days in advance which areas will be flooded.

An evacuation of the entire city is a logistical impossibility. There is simply not enough roadway, gasoline in inventory or facilities in nearby cities to transport and house 2.3 million evacuees. Any such misguided attempt would have resulted in the same disaster we saw with Hurricane Rita, with thousands of disabled cars on the freeways and hundreds of thousands trapped on the road in the weather conditions we now endure.

While we do not have any hard numbers yet, my guess is that we will eventually learn that something less than 10 percent of the homes in the Houston region have been flooded by this storm. Had a general evacuation been called, 90 percent of the people would have evacuated for no reason.

Once the rains have passed and the waters have receded, there are plenty of legitimate questions that need to be asked about whether our regions are prepared for this kind of localized flooding. What plans were in place for high-water rescues? Why weren’t more rescue boats and high-water vehicles positioned, especially considering that we had several days’ warning that catastrophic rainfall was headed our direction?

Why were volunteer rescue organizations not activated earlier? Why are we having 100-year and 500-year floods every few years? Why, in this age of virtual networks, is our 911 system not expandable to handle a spike in calls? Why are we still licensing nursing homes in flood-prone areas? How is it that such a facility gets inundated with several feet of water and local officials learn about it on social media?

We should, and must, ask these questions at the appropriate time so that we do better next time. And trust me, there will be a next time. But second-guessing or speculating that Mayor Turner and other local officials should have called for mandatory evacuations is nonsense and betrays a fundamental ignorance of evacuation dynamics.

Bill King is a former columnist for The Houston Chronicle.
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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #98 on: September 02, 2017, 09:16:10 AM »
Perhaps any discussion on Houston evacuation could be taken to its own thread?!? 

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« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2017, 09:33:00 PM »
Bueller?

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« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2017, 09:54:41 PM »
^^^ Exactly!!! Did the announcement get washed away with the hurricane?

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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2017, 10:58:52 AM »
Trying to close in Q4 according to DIA. 

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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2017, 12:14:09 PM »
What's going on?

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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2017, 01:46:49 PM »
1. Mayor says B2 will be "resolved" by year end
2. DIA confirms city is trying hard to reach a deal in Q4
3. Rumor I heard is that Marriott is involved, possibly for their Delta platform.

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« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2017, 01:55:13 PM »
1. Mayor says B2 will be "resolved" by year end
2. DIA confirms city is trying hard to reach a deal in Q4
3. Rumor I heard is that Marriott is involved, possibly for their Delta platform.

If Marriot is involved in a deal, I almost have to think they are not trying to put something there without there being an additional draw to the city like a convention center nearby. Maybe this is all part of this massive public-private partnership Curry has alluded to.