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Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?

Yes, absolutely.
17 (48.6%)
Yes, but the complex has improved over the last few years.
12 (34.3%)
No, it feels like the city has finally found its confidence.
6 (17.1%)

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I-10east

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2016, 08:57:56 AM »
^^^IMO downtown (which is the focus for many) there hasn't been any significant demos in a while. Springfield, that could be questioned.

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2016, 03:37:38 PM »
This article refers  to a couple of subjects in the forums lately......very interesting seeing it was written in 1976

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/tales-of-jacksonville-19760325?page=2

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2016, 10:00:04 AM »
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We deserve to have a complex..led by good ole boys since forever..biggots galore..low wages..racism rampant. .even our so called progressives lay down like a dog for conservatives that drag us down year by year ..handing out cash for football time after time even if we dont have it....better restaurants but we are still 40 years behind any other larger city in the south.

Every city has this, they all have bigots, people who bash change, people who hate gays or lesbians, there will always be haters in the world and those who live under rocks around the world. There are fewer and fewer people living off the grid these days.

You need to go read the books by James Crooks about the history of Jacksonville. For far too long, it was an industrial town and Crooks identifies that the people who owned the industries deliberately worked to keep the locals ignorant and uneducated, because an educated thinking person is a dangerous one. Also remember that Florida would have have been inhabited without air conditioning, so that kept many people from here for a long time, we have been growing at a slower pace, but now with technologies and "restaurants" and "entertainment" Jacksonville appears to be turning a serious corner.

Medical is leading the way, 20% of the local GDP is all from medical locally. Mayo, MD Anderson, Baptist, St. Vincents, look at the changes around town, its like an arms race by the medical community with new buildings and new facilities and new treatment centers. With AC in hand, golf (if you can stand wasting 4 hours a day, some do...) and a great quality of life, Jacksonville is catching up to other cities.

It takes time, but Jacksonville is getting better.  Having lived in Atlanta, I can tell you that traffic is a great identifier with regard to prosperity!

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2016, 11:07:56 AM »


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The world is a really big place.

With the internet, global partners, and fabulous transportation, its really a lot smaller than when American Isolationism ran rampant.

That's true. But even as the world shrinks (figuratively) there are still millions of restaurants.
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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2016, 01:43:14 PM »
Inferiority complex?? What inferiority complex? Y'all must not have heard...the Hoff used to live here. http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,26913.msg444726/topicseen.html#new

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2016, 01:03:12 AM »

Often,the more growth,the more inferior previously existing place,infrastructure becomes.

So yes,Giant Inferiority Complex.

I-10east

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2016, 08:36:12 AM »
IMO often these semi-annual 'rally threads' from contributing editors which usually overly critique Jax; They are just emotional cauldrons of inferiority complex. They are usually very successful to, just like a preacher preaching to an agreeing congregation. I have no problem with focusing in on the problems of Jax, but I have yet to understand how the success of a football team, and other 'reaching issues' are prominent for serious discussion.

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2016, 08:52:50 AM »
^^^You told me with certainty that Jax doesn't have an inferiority complex. Look at the poll numbers, they don't lie; Maybe all of those pollers should go to another forum too just because they don't agree with you.   

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2016, 12:47:13 PM »
Wayne Weaver did not run the Jaguars into the ground. When Weaver owned the team, he built teams that went to the playoffs. So far, Shad Khan has built the world's largest scoreboards and turned the Stadium into a circus, so if you want to slam on Weaver for anything, make sure its all about bringing Football to Jacksonville and building teams that actually accomplished playoffs and playoff wins. The last winning Jaguar coach was Jack Del Rio, under Weaver. Money can't buy you success in football.

I agree, particularly that Weaver didn't drive the Jags in the ground. Weaver was instrumental in keeping the team here. Did Weaver made any mistakes within his tenure as owner? Of course, it's a business and mistakes are bound to happen.

People love to talk about free Winn Dixie tickets, and play psychic Monday morning QB with the Coughlin firing; IMO Weaver's biggest flaw was not backing the city within that 2008 financial crisis (which later hit other larger cities in NFL attendance) I understood that he needed to stay viable, but putting Jax on blast through a financial crisis wasn't the smartest thing in the world; That announcement should've stayed in house within the top brass IMO.

I never understood the whole Weaver vs Khan thing though, I love them both. IMO Khan is doing a great job here. Getting canned immediate success on the field very quickly is winning the battle; The big picture of team stability in this city, and building through draft is winning the war.

Should Jacksonville be eternally grateful to the Weavers for bringing the NFL to Jacksonville? Absolutely. Did Wayne Weaver oversee the most successful years in franchise history on the field? Sure did. Should we build a statue for the guy one day as a thank you for selling the team to someone committed to keeping the Jags in Jacksonville? Damn straight.

But I absolutely stand by the opinion that Weaver was driving the franchise into the ground during his final years as owner. I'm not talking about the 90s, or the Winn Dixie giveaways, or anything like that. I'm talking about 2008 through 2011. When the Jags raised ticket prices during a recession. When Weaver's personal loyalty to Gene Smith resulted in wasted drafts, cutesy picks, and a third round selection being used on a punter. When David Garrard was cut and Luke McCown was made starting QB three days before the season started. When Jack Del Rio was kept around two years too long (he had three winning seasons in 10 years, and an overall losing record as head coach of the Jags, btw). When we couldn't even sell naming rights to an NFL Stadium and it reverted back to Jacksonville Municipal Stadium. Where tarps covered a huge part of the stadium and "Jags to L.A." stories were a daily occurrence.

Instead of feeling like he had to earn ticket sales, Weaver existed in a world where Jacksonville residents should take what they were given without complaint and just consider themselves lucky to have a franchise.

He wasn't investing in free agents. He wasn't investing in or improving the gameday experience. He wasn't investing in marketing the team regionally to grow the fanbase. He wasn't investing in front office staff (the team didn't even have a President since the late 90s). He was just staying the course, operating on a shoestring budget, and deflecting blame for the poor health of the business.

Had he not sold the team, there's a good chance the Jags would no longer be financially sustainable in Jacksonville given the way things were going.

Shad Khan had a great quote, saying that as an NFL owner, "If you're standing still, you're falling behind."

Contrast Weaver's last few seasons with what Khan's done since buying the team.

Can't get free agents to come to Jacksonville? Weaver throws his hands in the air, Khan invests $20 million into new facilities for the players. Stadium is in the bottom third of NFL venues and is failing to generate the revenue necessary to be competitive. Weaver raises ticket prices to make up the difference, Khan hires the man behind Metlife Stadium as President to find long-term solutions. More people watching on TV than coming to the game? Weaver threatens blackouts, Khan adds party decks, swimming pools, and the world's largest scoreboards to make the game-day experience better than being at home. Tarps over tens of thousands of seats? Weaver shrugs his shoulders and lets Jacksonville take a beating in the media, Khan reduces the physical number of seats in the stadium and converts underperforming sections into money-makers. Jags keep bungling the draft? Weaver gives Gene Smith a contract extension, Khan brings in a GM who has unanimously won the last two or three drafts.

The list goes on, and on, and on. The London agreement. The amphitheater and practice fields. The talent acquisitions. The events for season ticket holders. Freshening up team branding. Expanding the promotional net. Securing long-term naming rights for Everbank. Ending the L.A. rumors.

Since Khan has taken over, he has treated the Jaguars like a top tier NFL franchise.

Love Weaver, but he was driving the local community away in droves during those last few years by running the team like a D-League affiliate of the National Football League. 

Firmly stand behind that opinion.


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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2016, 01:55:20 PM »
^ Yes.  This.

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2016, 04:31:04 PM »
This article refers  to a couple of subjects in the forums lately......very interesting seeing it was written in 1976

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/tales-of-jacksonville-19760325?page=2

This was a fascinating read, and explains quite a bit. 

KenFSU

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2016, 04:51:39 PM »
This article refers  to a couple of subjects in the forums lately......very interesting seeing it was written in 1976

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/tales-of-jacksonville-19760325?page=2

This was a fascinating read, and explains quite a bit. 

Agree, great share, thanks so much.
Big League City! 100 Years of Football in Jacksonville, with foreword by Shad Khan, now available!
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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 11:35:57 AM »
Didn't really know on which thread to put this, but Amazon is looking for a second North American HQ to equal its current HQ in Seattle. and is accepting seeking proposals for a $5B campus.  Should Jacksonville swing for the fences on this one?  It would be a longshot, no doubt, but "no shot" otherwise.

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2017, 11:50:29 AM »
Of course they should.  It's being discussed on a parallel thread, under "Urban Construction Update." I e mailed Amazon, got a response, and also copied the RFP to the Mayor's office. What the hell else are  they doing if not trying to recruit these types of organizations to our fair City.

If you actually read the RFP we are a damn good fit for what they are looking for!

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Re: POLL: Does Jacksonville still have an inferiority complex?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2017, 12:27:55 PM »
Pitching hard for the joint venture Auto plant to come to Cecil field would be a great idea too. 
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