Riot In Riverside! July 4th riot brings mayhem.

[downtownparks]

Who said it didn't happen? All I have seen is a few who commented on "citizen reporting" and the potential for folly.

[stephendare]

Who said it didn't happen? All I have seen is a few who commented on "citizen reporting" and the potential for folly.

DTP someone else will have to answer that for you since anything I have ever written is a personal affront to you.

However if you check out UJ and read through this thread you will see people denying that anything happened other than a run of the mill crowd problem.

[Downtown Dweller]

Wasn't there, but I would be willing to bet the police did not just tell the "black people" to get the hell outta dodge, especially when looking at the reports posted here, if there was gun fire, and they brought tear gas they would have been telling everyone to get out. Or maybe they just wanted the white people to get shot and gassed, this in and of itself would point out the cops were not being racists against the blacks, they gave them fair warning to get out before they got gassed, I guess their real intent was to gas the unsuspecting white folks since they did not ask them to leave? I think some just like to try and make everything racial.

[Driven1]

Wasn't there, but I would be willing to bet the police did not just tell the "black people" to get the hell outta dodge, especially when looking at the reports posted here, if there was gun fire, and they brought tear gas they would have been telling everyone to get out. Or maybe they just wanted the white people to get shot and gassed, this in and of itself would point out the cops were not being racists against the blacks, they gave them fair warning to get out before they got gassed, I guess their real intent was to gas the unsuspecting white folks since they did not ask them to leave? I think some just like to try and make everything racial.

LOL - NO!!!  you are WRONG DowntownDweller!  The cops here are racist and HATE black people.  Even the black cops hate black people.  Sheriff Rutherford makes them promise two things when they sign on...

1) they will uphold the law
2) they will hate black people

[stephendare]

Wasn't there, but I would be willing to bet the police did not just tell the "black people" to get the hell outta dodge, especially when looking at the reports posted here, if there was gun fire, and they brought tear gas they would have been telling everyone to get out. Or maybe they just wanted the white people to get shot and gassed, this in and of itself would point out the cops were not being racists against the blacks, they gave them fair warning to get out before they got gassed, I guess their real intent was to gas the unsuspecting white folks since they did not ask them to leave? I think some just like to try and make everything racial.

LOL - NO!!!  you are WRONG DowntownDweller!  The cops here are racist and HATE black people.  Even the black cops hate black people.  Sheriff Rutherford makes them promise two things when they sign on...

1) they will uphold the law
2) they will hate black people

This is uncalled for and inappropriate.

[Eazy E]

Does anyone have any photos or videos to post?

That camera was removed a couple weeks ago...

I don't think so.  It was there 2 weeks ago when I noticed it. I am talking the upper NW corner, WAY up above Boger's shoes.

[Driven1]

Wasn't there, but I would be willing to bet the police did not just tell the "black people" to get the hell outta dodge, especially when looking at the reports posted here, if there was gun fire, and they brought tear gas they would have been telling everyone to get out. Or maybe they just wanted the white people to get shot and gassed, this in and of itself would point out the cops were not being racists against the blacks, they gave them fair warning to get out before they got gassed, I guess their real intent was to gas the unsuspecting white folks since they did not ask them to leave? I think some just like to try and make everything racial.

LOL - NO!!!  you are WRONG DowntownDweller!  The cops here are racist and HATE black people.  Even the black cops hate black people.  Sheriff Rutherford makes them promise two things when they sign on...

1) they will uphold the law
2) they will hate black people

This is uncalled for and inappropriate.

ROFL!!  The irony.  Clem...you gotta see this.  Downtown Dweller...  DTP... Joe...

[Eazy E]

That said, it was a riot, and its troubling that it seems there are a few that would rather make up a different word or pretend it didnt happen.

MMMMM, from talking to the business owners around there, I think they'd tell you, as they told me, that some scary, crazy, truly f**ked up sh*t happened that night, but they would point out that it only happened because of the crowd and its response to being told to leave. And i think they would indicate that the crowd is not the usual patrons of the Points. There is nothing wrong with businesses wanting people to know the area is normally quite safe, save for this unfortunate incident caused by a bunch of thugs.
And as a side note, I know at a NOFX show in 1998 at the old Milk Bar on Adams, when it was sold out, and there were tons of kids on the sidewalk trying to somehow get in, that the cops made them leave, too.

[fpj]

Does anyone have any photos or videos to post?

That camera was removed a couple weeks ago...

I don't think so.  It was there 2 weeks ago when I noticed it. I am talking the upper NW corner, WAY up above Boger's shoes.

Just looked.  Still gone.

[downtownparks]

caused by a bunch of thugs.

Careful, our board thought police will call you a racist.

That said, it does sound like it was bad, with a possibility to get much worse. To be franks, it doesn't sound much different than the handful of events that the Temple across from Shanty hosted. When the police came in to disperse the crown (After shootings) they ran amoke, throwing things at cars, shooting guns into the air, doing circles around the block with bass cranked to 11 (its one louder than 10).

A group of us were ready to sue the Temple to keep them from hosting any events when they conceeded the point, and have promised to never host a youth event again. The bible study, weddings, and baby showers seem to be much more peaceful than the youth oriented party's.

[stephendare]

Whatever agenda is being pursued by all of this 'thought police' chatter, Im sure its as much of a yawn as the idea that 'nothing happened"

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

And I mean to ask this question divorced of the backdrop of the Five Points riot.

Its especially ironic because the kids in Five Points have had the same problem themselves.

[Eazy E]

Does anyone have any photos or videos to post?

That camera was removed a couple weeks ago...

I don't think so.  It was there 2 weeks ago when I noticed it. I am talking the upper NW corner, WAY up above Boger's shoes.

Just looked.  Still gone.

huh, that's really weird.

[Driven1]

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

here is a "thought police" computer programming "IF-THEN" stmt to answer your ponderings...

IF the City is Jacksonville THEN
    IF the crowd is black THEN
        YES, it is ok to tell them to leave.
    ELSE
        NO, it is not ok to tell them to leave.
    END IF
END IF

[Downtown Dweller]

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

And I mean to ask this question divorced of the backdrop of the Five Points riot.

YES, it is appropriate. The police must be concerned with public saftey, both to a persons body or property. In this case, as in any other unpermitted gathering they have not only a right, but a duty to clear the place out.

I find it interesting that this question was even posed (catch 22), as we all know if the police had done nothing and allowed the "mischief" to grow and culminate they would have been blamed and most likely sued for not clearing the place out.

[Eazy E]

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

Stephen, I do have to say an emphatic 'yes!' to this, despite my love of the Constitution and all its freedoms.  If you were in 5 Points that night, as I was, from when the first people lined up until almost 9:30, you could tell these kids were going to be trouble. I am basing this on their actions and the fact that I have been around these kids before, and my experiences with the temple across from Shanty referenced by DTP.
Once you have witnessed the melee of a teen party held by young black kids from Jacksonville, you will be prepared to recognize it before it happens.  
Unfortunately, I can tell this will already get me branded as a racist, though I feel I am simply stating the truth. THis is now the 4th teen party is less than a year I have witnessed, and all have ended with gunshots and police.