Riot In Riverside! July 4th riot brings mayhem.

[stephendare]

No one is answering the phone at the Shads booking number.

Wonder why.

[floridakelly]

fjp, thanks so much for giving us the report. I was pretty interested in hearing all that happened on the police side, especially after reading how much doubt there was about those of us breathlessly reporting the events.

Ernest St- I used to live on Ernest St! Strange. Got broken into more times that I'd like to remember.

Now I live on Park close to Five Points and nothing much has changed or happened here since the 4th other than rumors, questions, and lots of theories as to why nobody is reporting this. I guess it's too late now; as soon as this thread dies down, I doubt there will be anyone covering the story.

I googled Boyz of Poison as well and came up with the same info--though I thought the performance was rap rather than dance.

[stephendare]

This from the police logs of the evening of July 4th...

Some shorthand:

40 - civil disorder/riot/crowd
16 - traffic obstruction/hazard
33 - shots fired
77 - situation under control
18 - someone has been shot
61 - fight
pl - parking lot
air3 - the helicopter
56 - juveniles
97 - throwing fireworks

so here is it....

22:03:51 - calling adv large group poss 100-200 people going to start a sig 40, 16
22:03:52 - adv in all of 5 points
22:03:52 - overrode priority 4 with 3, priority of event = 3
22:26:30 - 33s in area
22:27:55 - illuminate the shell station
22:29:58 - still casing 1000 blk of park
22:30:33 - t77 no sig 18 victim...there is an individual that is being 33d at
22:30:45 - most of the crowd is to the east by the shell station
22:31:07 - also coming from the south....possible 61 in the shell pl
22:31:32 - need units to the south per air3
22:32:37 - park is clear...jus tthe pl of the shell
22:32:57 - 61 at the pl, need units on the northside
22:34:12 - need more units...still 33ing
22:36:42 - wendys is clear...indvs still at shell
22:37:50 - still 33s in the area...req more units
22:40:17 - indvs circling thge block and not leaving
22:41:59 - now moving twards post and margaret moving east
22:42:14 - need all veh traffic stopped
22:42:23 - need a unit at post margaret
22:43:52 - j162 at the southend
22:58:24 - k for jp/air3
23:01:45 - starting to group up just east of the shell again
23:06:04 - 400 sig 56s inside the club...club will let out at 2315
23:12:51 - club is shutting down now ....expecting a very large crowd
23:16:29 - 61 at the wendys per 6933
23:16:57 - 61 in the st southside of five points
23:17:05 - coming north towards the shell
23:17:30 - large group heading towards the wendys
23:17:51 - one male being chased by a group
23:18:05 - north thru the alley
23:18:29 - victim red shirt
23:18:39 - 148 t97
23:18:52 - to the left of the red brick house
23:20:51 - large group heading towards the intersection of five points
23:22:15 - 61ing just north of the intersection..some headed north twards the shel
23:23:52 - headed tp the otherside of derby house
23:24:33 - 33ing again
23:26:09 - need units margre/post..and sev units to the light at the inter
23:26:56 - 5 points calming down, need units to stay t97
23:27:59 - 61 in front of derby house
23:31:09 - 33 at 1000 park
23:31:29 - k717
23:33:08 - 33s came from park/oak
23:33:11 - dispo: z for jp/60843
23:34:43 - 33s at post/oak, no sig 18, everyone fled
23:35:01 - majority of indvs are just east of shell
23:35:07 - adv by apt 804 bm wht shrt blk shorts was on side of building 08
23:35:07 - hiding by a tree, cmp adv susp is on foot on may str
23:35:25 - adv at may/post officer need to go east 08
23:35:54 - adv susp running on may st
23:36:57 - groupig up just east of shell
23:43:22 - no units should be let thru
and then over the next 30 minutes or so 28 officers signed out of the area with one amusing comment in the midst:
00:19:15 - wow


If I missed any signals, here is a list:


13 Suspicious Car Or Person             64 Barking Dog
14 Malicious Mischief Or Vandalism      65 Rape
15 Special Detail                       66 Molesting
16 Traffic Obstruction Or Hazard        67 Child Cruelty
17 Sick Person Or Person Down           68 Con Game Or Film Flam
18 One Shot                             69 Contributing To Deling
19 Animal Bite Investigation               Depend child
20 Powler Or Peeping Tom                70 Counterfelt
21 Breaking And Entering                71 Animal Cruelty
22 Family Or Domestic Disturbance       72 Dangerous Excavation
23 Hold Up                              73 Drug Or Narcotic
24 Investigate                             Invesigation
25 Fire Or Explosion                    74 Extortion
26 Cardiac/Drowning/Asphyxiation        75 Sex Offence, Non-Rape,
27 Insane Peron                            Prostitution
28 Deliver Message To...                76 Assist Other Agency
29 Wires Down                           77 Situation Under Control
30 Abduction                            78 False Personation
31 Property Check/Dark Report           79 Obsene Threats Or Phone Call
32 Burglar Or Fire Alarm                80 Vice Investigation, Non-Drug
33 Dischargeing Firearms                   Matter
34 Officer Calling For HELP!            81 Hawkins, Door To Door
35 Officer Requests Assistance          82 Shoplifter
36 Meet An Officer                      83 Ticket Scalping
37 Petting Party                        84 Strike Or Labor Union
38 Traffic Assignment                      Activity
39 Water Or Boat Accident               85 Carrying Concealed Weapon
40 Civil Disorder/Riot/Crowd            86 Lost Property
41 Arson                                87 Damaged Property
42 Worthless Check Control Burn         88 Assault
43 Hitchhiker We Need                   89 Illegal Burning
44 Abortion, Permission To Talk         90 Fireworks
45 Gas Leak                             91 View Of Roadway Is
46 Aircraft                                Obstructed
47 Juveniles Playing In The Street      92 Sidewalk Obstruction
   Railroad Accident                    93 Blood Run
48 Industrial Or Construction Accident  94 Information
49 Report To....Hospital                95 Fraud Investigation
50 Found Or Abandoned Property          96 Assist Motorist
51 Follow-Up Investigation              97 Throwing Incendiaries Or
52 Garbage Investigation                   Fireworks
53 Someone Hurt Or Injured              98 Throwing Missiles
54 Illegally Parked Vehicle             99 UFO Investigation
55 Holding One                          10-99  Request Control Number
56 Juvenile Complaint
57 Person Calling For Help              CODES:
58 Bomb Investigation Or Threat         Alpha - Unable to locate complainant/
59 Vehicle Maintenance                          verify incident
60 Suicide Or Suicide Attempt           Bravo - Assist motorist/traffic
61 Fight In Progress                    India - Transported victim or witness
62 Cutting                              Hotel - Advised to re-contact if
63 Loud Distrubance                             further trouble
                                        Kilo  - Assisted (Signal 35) other
                                                officer or agency

[RiversideGator]

I heard some gunshots in my neighborhood last night too... 

No wait...  It was just kids finishing off their 4th of July fireworks.   

[stephendare]

I heard some gunshots in my neighborhood last night too... 

No wait...  It was just kids finishing off their 4th of July fireworks.   

wow.  guess its a good thing you werent the one who filled out the police log just above your post!

I bet those cops can tell the difference!

[BridgeTroll]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am almost 100% positive that this was not affiliated in any way with Cool Runnings/Kool Runnings.
I wish i wasn't considering a gun, but Stephen, this is NOT to be chalked up the promoters beyond them hosting an event in an area that is not suited for such an event. This is to be chalked up to the idiot teenagers and 20 somethings in JAx who think the proper response to any slight or minor aggrevation is to shoot someone; this is to be chalked up to a failing public school system that creates predtaory, thugged-out drug dealers who can't read; this is to be chalked up to those same predatory, thugged-out, illiterate drug dealares who have multiple children and don't take care of any of them, even though they didn;t have the financial or emotional ability to support the first one, let alone the enxt one, two, three, or four of them.  This is to be chalked up to Jacksonville's future: people too stupid and too violent to realize they are too stupid and too violent.

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Finally!!  Someone finally put the blame on this incident exactly where it belongs.  Not the promoter... not the police... not the skinny streets or the weather or the holiday.  It was thugs... pure and simple.  They didnt get what they wanted and so they decided to tear the place up.  Too bad they couldnt have dropped a net from the helicopter, scooped every one of em up and dropping em off at the jailhouse...

Pathetic...

[RiversideRatt]

It was the dance group, but there were DJ's inside playing mainstream radio style rap. 

I went into the venue twice. 

There is no connection to Cool Runnings. 

[stephendare]

Thanks Riversideratt!

How was the performance??

What did you see with the crowd?

any insights?

[RiversideRatt]

Thanks Riversideratt!

How was the performance??

What did you see with the crowd?

any insights?

I went through the back to the stage area.  The place was very full to the point where people were crowding the stage and being told to get off the stage if you were not part of the show.  I wasn't there for the event. 

I didn't see the performance, but was told earlier in the day that it was the dance thing.  I watched the videos on YouTube of some of the other performances....   Not so much quality dancing.

[stephendare]

as best I can, the translation:

40 - civil disorder/riot/crowd
16 - traffic obstruction/hazard
33 - shots fired
77 - situation under control
18 - someone has been shot
61 - fight
pl - parking lot
air3 - the helicopter
56 - juveniles
97 - throwing fireworks

so here is it....

22:03:51 - calling adv large group poss 100-200 people going to start a riot/civil disorder signal and a traffic obstruction hazard
22:03:52 - adv in all of 5 points
22:03:52 - overrode priority 4 with 3, priority of event = 3
22:26:30 - shots fired in area
22:27:55 - illuminate the shell station
22:29:58 - still casing 1000 blk of park
22:30:33 - t77 no sign of a shooting victim...there is an individual that is being shot at
22:30:45 - most of the crowd is to the east by the shell station
22:31:07 - also coming from the south....possible fight in the shell parking lot
22:31:32 - need units to the south per air3
22:32:37 - park is clear...jus tthe parking lot of the shell
22:32:57 - Fight at the parking lot, need units on the northside
22:34:12 - need more units...still shooting
22:36:42 - wendys is clear...individuals still at shell
22:37:50 - still shots in the area...require more units
22:40:17 - individuals circling the block and not leaving
22:41:59 - now moving towards post and margaret moving east
22:42:14 - need all vehicular traffic stopped
22:42:23 - need a unit at post margaret
22:43:52 - j162 at the southend
22:58:24 - k for jp/air3
23:01:45 - starting to group up just east of the shell again
23:06:04 - 400 sig juveniles inside the club...club will let out at 11:15
23:12:51 - club is shutting down now ....expecting a very large crowd
23:16:29 - FIght at the wendys per 6933
23:16:57 - Fight in the st southside of five points
23:17:05 - coming north towards the shell
23:17:30 - large group heading towards the wendys
23:17:51 - one male being chased by a group
23:18:05 - north thru the alley
23:18:29 - victim red shirt
23:18:39 - 148 t97
23:18:52 - to the left of the red brick house
23:20:51 - large group heading towards the intersection of five points
23:22:15 - Fighting just north of the intersection..some headed north towards the shell
23:23:52 - headed tp the otherside of derby house
23:24:33 - Fighting again
23:26:09 - need units margre/post..and sev units to the light at the inter
23:26:56 - 5 points calming down, need units to stay t97
23:27:59 - Fight in front of derby house
23:31:09 - Shots fired at 1000 park
23:31:29 - k717
23:33:08 - Shots came from park/oak
23:33:11 - dispo: z for jp/60843
23:34:43 - Shots at post/oak, no shooting victim, everyone fled
23:35:01 - majority of individuals are just east of shell
23:35:07 - adv by apt 804 black male wht shrt blk shorts was on side of building 08
23:35:07 - hiding by a tree, cmp adv susp is on foot on may str
23:35:25 - adv at may/post officer need to go east 08
23:35:54 - adv susp running on may st
23:36:57 - groupig up just east of shell
23:43:22 - no units should be let thru
and then over the next 30 minutes or so 28 officers signed out of the area with one amusing comment in the midst:
00:19:15 - wow

[NotNow]

The reports of 33's (shots fired) that you see in the log, could be reported by Officers or could be entered by dispatch after reports or complaints by citizens.  The entries don't verify, or deny, that there were weapons going off.  There probably were some firecrackers mistaken as gunshots, but there probably was actual gunfire as well.  Probably into the air as there are no reports of property damage to homes or vehicles, and no wounds.  For many young Officers, these events are a wake up call....leading to UNAUTHORIZED comments on the MDT such as WOW.  For those complimenting JSO's response, thanks.  This board often seems like hostile territory.  Easy, come take a ride on the midnight shift sometime, I think that your eyes will be opened more than you know.

[fpj]

The reports of 33's (shots fired) that you see in the log, could be reported by Officers or could be entered by dispatch after reports or complaints by citizens.  The entries don't verify, or deny, that there were weapons going off.  There probably were some firecrackers mistaken as gunshots, but there probably was actual gunfire as well.  Probably into the air as there are no reports of property damage to homes or vehicles, and no wounds.  For many young Officers, these events are a wake up call....leading to UNAUTHORIZED comments on the MDT such as WOW.  For those complimenting JSO's response, thanks.  This board often seems like hostile territory.  Easy, come take a ride on the midnight shift sometime, I think that your eyes will be opened more than you know.

I agree with the jist of what you are saying here, and I tend to err on the side of caution, however, from the Additional Information section of the General Offense / Incident Report...

On 07/04/08 while working off duty at 1024 Park St., shots were fired in the 800 block of Park St.  I went to the area and was told by several people that a black male was shooting at another black male that was running east on Park St.  Myself and several others searched the area for a potential victim and the suspect with negative results.

I found a shell casing [identified as a "Winchester 40 cal bullet casing" elsewhere in the report -fpj] in the 800 block of Park St. and placed it in the property room.

...so I figure at least one of those reports--from both meanings of the word--was accurately logged as a gunshot.  I assume, too, that they probably were shot into the air, just as I doubt 56s would run in screaming waves away from firecrackers.

Also, while getting the reports and logs earlier today, a couple people were signing up for ride-alongs; I may do that myself [again] as they are indeed eye-openers, and I suggest any and all to do them.

--fpj

[Eazy E]

  Easy, come take a ride on the midnight shift sometime, I think that your eyes will be opened more than you know.

Honestly, I doubt it-- not saying that in a pejorative way towards you, but i used to teach high school, so my eyes were opened beyond belief during that time.  I am sure, however, that you and I could swap notes and stories.

[stephendare]

its being called a race riot elsewhere, and more interestingly there are claims that the police asked the shopkeepers to keep it quiet!?!?!?

http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2008/07/07/a-riot-not-a-riot-in-five-points/

[thebrokenforum]

I think the "race riot" thing stems from people trying to beat around the bush (on message boards) when regarding the kind of crowd the show attracted. I've seen mention of "these kinds of crowds" etc. all eluding to but not directly mentioning race. People have mentioned crowds not typical to the area and businesses saying that there were a lot of people that were not their usual clientele.

As for the news not covering it...i still find that really strange. I'm not buying into the conspiracy theory thing just yet but for them to say that it wasn't news worthy is just plain old crap. It has the makings to become mythic as to what actually happened and to whom.

I am very, very surprised that no one has posted any pictures of the thing. With as many camera phones etc. as there are and with people gagging to catch something, anything interesting to post online...and no one has any photographic evidence?!