Riot In Riverside! July 4th riot brings mayhem.

[stephendare]

luckily we have some really awesome reporting from the people who were on the ground.

I think the only breathless posts on this thread are from a couple of people who werent actually there and wince every time something 'negative' sounding happens in the neighborhood where they have real estate investments.

It really does sound like the problem was partially based in the discomfort level with having a hip hop promotion in five points.

Was is a Kool Runnings promotion?

From the online material Boyz of Poison certainly doesnt seem to be the type of band that the Kool Runnings Krew would sponsor.

[stephendare]

From what I have been told, it related to the 5-points theater. They hosted some sort of rap thing last night (for the third week in a row) and all hell broke loose. Shots fired into the air, and people scrambling as the police arrived. Area businesses, from what I was told, are PISSED because the theater has hosted this type of event now three or four times, and the clientèle they are bringing in are less than desirable.

This is the first mention of shots, as far as I can tell.

As well as the racial undertones.

[downtownparks]

Yup. "From what I have been told"That was taken from a friend who was in Fuel. She was nearly in tears when she told me all of that the night of the event. It was her words about the "clientèle" as well. I dont know if they were purple, or polka dotted. I was in Klutho Park enjoying a nice evening with my neighbors, drinking a beer, and chilling out after getting beat up by the eastside in a baseball game...

Interestingly, the next day I spoke to her, and her story was a little calmer.

You are a great quoter. Nice work. Thanks for the beer.

[stephendare]

I agree, Ernest St, that its great that we can find stories that aren't on the MSM radar. However, I do think some caution needs to be applied to what someone earlier called breathless reporting. Word of mouth reporting is potentially dangerous in as much as, it can lead to a great deal of misinformation. A large scale version of this was after the anthrax attacks just after 9/11. People rushing out and buying duct tape and trash bags based on nothing more than speculation and rumor.

In this case, the potential for chaos was far less, but at the end of the day the shooting, tazering, and tear gas reports have yet to be verified, yet I bet many people are running with it as  the gospel truth. This is the danger of citizen reporting. Not everybody has the ability to process what they are seeing with the same clarity, and rumor-mill has a tendency to run amok in these types of situations.

[stephendare]

anyways.

Im going to Five Points tonight and find out what the week after opinion is as to the causes of the riot.

[Driven1]

anyways.

Im going to Five Points tonight and find out what the week after opinion is as to the causes of the riot.

if you can, convince some of the actual eyewitnesses to come on here and let us know what actually happened. 

[stephendare]

anyways.

Im going to Five Points tonight and find out what the week after opinion is as to the causes of the riot.

if you can, convince some of the actual eyewitnesses to come on here and let us know what actually happened. 

often times, it helps to read a thread thoroughly before commenting on it.  You will find five or six eyewitness accounts on the thread if you simply scroll through.

[fpj]

This from the police logs of the evening of July 4th...

Some shorthand:

40 - civil disorder/riot/crowd
16 - traffic obstruction/hazard
33 - shots fired
77 - situation under control
18 - someone has been shot
61 - fight
pl - parking lot
air3 - the helicopter
56 - juveniles
97 - throwing fireworks

so here is it....

22:03:51 - calling adv large group poss 100-200 people going to start a sig 40, 16
22:03:52 - adv in all of 5 points
22:03:52 - overrode priority 4 with 3, priority of event = 3
22:26:30 - 33s in area
22:27:55 - illuminate the shell station
22:29:58 - still casing 1000 blk of park
22:30:33 - t77 no sig 18 victim...there is an individual that is being 33d at
22:30:45 - most of the crowd is to the east by the shell station
22:31:07 - also coming from the south....possible 61 in the shell pl
22:31:32 - need units to the south per air3
22:32:37 - park is clear...jus tthe pl of the shell
22:32:57 - 61 at the pl, need units on the northside
22:34:12 - need more units...still 33ing
22:36:42 - wendys is clear...indvs still at shell
22:37:50 - still 33s in the area...req more units
22:40:17 - indvs circling thge block and not leaving
22:41:59 - now moving twards post and margaret moving east
22:42:14 - need all veh traffic stopped
22:42:23 - need a unit at post margaret
22:43:52 - j162 at the southend
22:58:24 - k for jp/air3
23:01:45 - starting to group up just east of the shell again
23:06:04 - 400 sig 56s inside the club...club will let out at 2315
23:12:51 - club is shutting down now ....expecting a very large crowd
23:16:29 - 61 at the wendys per 6933
23:16:57 - 61 in the st southside of five points
23:17:05 - coming north towards the shell
23:17:30 - large group heading towards the wendys
23:17:51 - one male being chased by a group
23:18:05 - north thru the alley
23:18:29 - victim red shirt
23:18:39 - 148 t97
23:18:52 - to the left of the red brick house
23:20:51 - large group heading towards the intersection of five points
23:22:15 - 61ing just north of the intersection..some headed north twards the shel
23:23:52 - headed tp the otherside of derby house
23:24:33 - 33ing again
23:26:09 - need units margre/post..and sev units to the light at the inter
23:26:56 - 5 points calming down, need units to stay t97
23:27:59 - 61 in front of derby house
23:31:09 - 33 at 1000 park
23:31:29 - k717
23:33:08 - 33s came from park/oak
23:33:11 - dispo: z for jp/60843
23:34:43 - 33s at post/oak, no sig 18, everyone fled
23:35:01 - majority of indvs are just east of shell
23:35:07 - adv by apt 804 bm wht shrt blk shorts was on side of building 08
23:35:07 - hiding by a tree, cmp adv susp is on foot on may str
23:35:25 - adv at may/post officer need to go east 08
23:35:54 - adv susp running on may st
23:36:57 - groupig up just east of shell
23:43:22 - no units should be let thru
and then over the next 30 minutes or so 28 officers signed out of the area with one amusing comment in the midst:
00:19:15 - wow


If I missed any signals, here is a list:


13 Suspicious Car Or Person             64 Barking Dog
14 Malicious Mischief Or Vandalism      65 Rape
15 Special Detail                       66 Molesting
16 Traffic Obstruction Or Hazard        67 Child Cruelty
17 Sick Person Or Person Down           68 Con Game Or Film Flam
18 One Shot                             69 Contributing To Deling
19 Animal Bite Investigation               Depend child
20 Powler Or Peeping Tom                70 Counterfelt
21 Breaking And Entering                71 Animal Cruelty
22 Family Or Domestic Disturbance       72 Dangerous Excavation
23 Hold Up                              73 Drug Or Narcotic
24 Investigate                             Invesigation
25 Fire Or Explosion                    74 Extortion
26 Cardiac/Drowning/Asphyxiation        75 Sex Offence, Non-Rape,
27 Insane Peron                            Prostitution
28 Deliver Message To...                76 Assist Other Agency
29 Wires Down                           77 Situation Under Control
30 Abduction                            78 False Personation
31 Property Check/Dark Report           79 Obsene Threats Or Phone Call
32 Burglar Or Fire Alarm                80 Vice Investigation, Non-Drug
33 Dischargeing Firearms                   Matter
34 Officer Calling For HELP!            81 Hawkins, Door To Door
35 Officer Requests Assistance          82 Shoplifter
36 Meet An Officer                      83 Ticket Scalping
37 Petting Party                        84 Strike Or Labor Union
38 Traffic Assignment                      Activity
39 Water Or Boat Accident               85 Carrying Concealed Weapon
40 Civil Disorder/Riot/Crowd            86 Lost Property
41 Arson                                87 Damaged Property
42 Worthless Check Control Burn         88 Assault
43 Hitchhiker We Need                   89 Illegal Burning
44 Abortion, Permission To Talk         90 Fireworks
45 Gas Leak                             91 View Of Roadway Is
46 Aircraft                                Obstructed
47 Juveniles Playing In The Street      92 Sidewalk Obstruction
   Railroad Accident                    93 Blood Run
48 Industrial Or Construction Accident  94 Information
49 Report To....Hospital                95 Fraud Investigation
50 Found Or Abandoned Property          96 Assist Motorist
51 Follow-Up Investigation              97 Throwing Incendiaries Or
52 Garbage Investigation                   Fireworks
53 Someone Hurt Or Injured              98 Throwing Missiles
54 Illegally Parked Vehicle             99 UFO Investigation
55 Holding One                          10-99  Request Control Number
56 Juvenile Complaint
57 Person Calling For Help              CODES:
58 Bomb Investigation Or Threat         Alpha - Unable to locate complainant/
59 Vehicle Maintenance                          verify incident
60 Suicide Or Suicide Attempt           Bravo - Assist motorist/traffic
61 Fight In Progress                    India - Transported victim or witness
62 Cutting                              Hotel - Advised to re-contact if
63 Loud Distrubance                             further trouble
                                        Kilo  - Assisted (Signal 35) other
                                                officer or agency

[stephendare]

holy crap.

sign me up with 'wow'.

sounds like the shootings never stopped throughout.

jpl, this is the most excellent post of all.  Thanks man.

Is there ever notation of gas or mace?

[David]

Is it possible fireworks were mistaken for gunfire?

[Driven1]

fpj, AWESOME POST.  thank you for that factual information.  this is the kind of stuff that we can rely on!!

[Eazy E]

Okay, well, from firsthand accounts: there was tear gas, 50/50 on shootings.  While I received several phone calls about the incident on Friday night, when I showed up Saturday, there was nothing indicating a large fight, or even a riot, had occurred: no property damage, no trash in the streets, nothing.  

I would, in fact, though it pains my liberal conscious, put the blame squarely on the people attending this event.  Even at 8 o'clock, they were getting out of control.  One 5 Points regular went to move his car, parked right in front of the line, and several 15 year olds began harassing him, calling him "whitey" and saying they were going to "shoot his punk ass". Unfortunately, in Jacksonville at this time, we have a demographic that respects nothing but violence and money, and that has no parental oversight or control being exercised-- it's the same crap that made me quit teaching. I would chalk this fight/riot up to our city's inability to instill in poor kids that violence isn't the answer and money isn't the be-all end-all of everything.  And, unfortunately, the kind of rap that this is-- the worst, crappiest, most unintelligent, and uncreative kind-- only fuels this by making every song about cars, drugs, violence and hoes.  A Tribe Called Quest those guys ain't.

[Eazy E]

Okay, well, from firsthand accounts: there was tear gas, 50/50 on shootings.  While I received several phone calls about the incident on Friday night, when I showed up Saturday, there was nothing indicating a large fight, or even a riot, had occurred: no property damage, no trash in the streets, nothing.  

I would, in fact, though it pains my liberal conscious, put the blame squarely on the people attending this event.  Even at 8 o'clock, they were getting out of control.  One 5 Points regular went to move his car, parked right in front of the line, and several 15 year olds began harassing him, calling him "whitey" and saying they were going to "shoot his punk ass". Unfortunately, in Jacksonville at this time, we have a demographic that respects nothing but violence and money, and that has no parental oversight or control being exercised-- it's the same crap that made me quit teaching. I would chalk this fight/riot up to our city's inability to instill in poor kids that violence isn't the answer and money isn't the be-all end-all of everything.  And, unfortunately, the kind of rap that this is-- the worst, crappiest, most unintelligent, and uncreative kind-- only fuels this by making every song about cars, drugs, violence and hoes.  A Tribe Called Quest those guys ain't.

*yeah, that would be conscience, not conscious

[Driven1]

I would, in fact, though it pains my liberal conscious, put the blame squarely on the people attending this event.  Even at 8 o'clock, they were getting out of control.  One 5 Points regular went to move his car, parked right in front of the line, and several 15 year olds began harassing him, calling him "whitey" and saying they were going to "shoot his punk ass".

well, at least we now know there weren't any racist motivations behind the angry mob of club-goers.

[stephendare]

Easy,

Did anyone actually see the band?

I still cant get over the mayhem level of the report.  Guys being chased by gangs of people shootings throughout the night, etc. 

Notnow, man if I implied that the cops in any way over reacted, let me take that back.

Again, the cop's sing out remark sums it up. wow.

congrats to everyone for giving such an accurate rendition.   In light of the police log its apparent now that the reports were very conservative and restrained compared to what actually happened.

again.  wow.