Riot In Riverside! July 4th riot brings mayhem.

[WeeklyJoe]

Geez! I usually go to metrojacksonville.com for rail transportation and Amtrak trivia!

As a non-resident of Jax, and after reading ALL posts to the forum topic so far, I can't help but imagine if I'd decided to spend a relaxing Liberty Day eve before the early Southwest flight in the morning, stayed at the Crowne Plaza, and check out the artsy neighborhood of Five Points to enjoy the holiday. Also, I'm a white male, tall and broad enough with suitablenesses to not be an easy mark, enjoy all kinds of music and will wander into unchartered territory to find it. BTW, I'd also be calling a cab to get back to the hotel. Once again, Geez!

I don't think tourism in Jax is geared for the whole family, and as it seems now, shouldn't be. I'm more upset about the lack of response from the major local media about this incident. I commend all of you for entering in, and hope you maintain a civil discussion.

Sounds like an early morning bus ride is just what the doctor ordered!

[lindab]

Thanks metrojacksonville for the information. We live here in Five Points and saw the helicopter, heard the noise and saw the cop cars that night. The next morning there seemed to be no way to find out what happened. I especially appreciate the two accounts from people who were there.

I have no problem that Five Points wanted to have a rap concert and there certainly was an audience for that concert. The real problem lies with the unprepared event planning, open ticket sales along with holiday timing and lack of coordination with the art walk. Just another reason why Five Points needs to create an effective business association.

[stephendare]

thanks everyone for the input and the remarks. 

This was a great example of citizen based journalism.

Remarkable accounts, Kelly and Carravaggio.

And thanks for the background information, NotNow.

[stephendare]

The TU is also working on this story incidentally.

[thebrokenforum]

The TU is also working on this story incidentally.

Hmmm...wonder where they got that idea...

[adamh0903]

I was sitting outside at  Dona Maria's the whole time (after we tried to eat at Al's, but they closed at 9, whats up with that?), I didnt hear any gun shots. I didnt see anything that resembled a riot, more like a high school fight with a bunch of people in the street and running back and forth between to scene and wendys. It was chaotic but I think the people their made it that way, not the police. I mean, workers at wendys were running in that direction.

[stephendare]

Must have been quite a scene if you could see it all the way around the bend in five points from Dona Maria's. 

So the mayhem extended that far?

[adamh0903]

Yeah, I didnt know it was centered around the old 5 points club until we got up to leave Dona Maria's and could see down the street better. But the crowds would move in that direction and then scatter back toward the Wendys at the corner. It was very odd to say the least, our waiter at Dona Maria's actually went to the corner and and would come back with updates.

[Coolyfett]

Just another reason why Five Points needs to create an effective business association.

That is a very good idea. They should have had that already.

Questions?
Cool Runnings is NEVER at two places at once. Their crew is only about 7 people. So were they at Plush or 5 Points? Who was performing at Five Points Theater??

Banning Hip Hop from 5 Points is stupid and idiotic!! Triclops aka Ian Ranne has done many hip hop events out there in 5 points. 5 Points Theater should have consultants that determine what's allowed on an each event basis. Not all HIP HOP must go, That's not fair it's also backwards so don't be a TURTLE!!

I agree with the cop, young black guys are the problem majority of the time and it does come from bad parenting. That thing he said about the 2 schools was deep......I'd include Dougleas Anderson in that list as well.

It makes sense that Cool Runnings parties are targeted by JSO, "The leader" (who is almost 50 years of age) has boasted many times that "he plays for habitchual offenders". Why he did that I will never know but it is a quoted statement. 

People need to know the difference between knucklehead hip hop & good hip hop. It is not all the same. Kinda like Heavy Metal v. Indie Rock they are both rock music but not the same. peace.

 

[comncense]

lol... not too surprised to hear people quick to come with the sentiment of "All Hip Hop is bad". But I'm also not too surprised to hear that when we are stuck in the ignorant South. I do agree with Cooley though, you can't make a blanket statement about ANY genre of music. The crowd you'd see at a Kanye West concert vs. a Trick Daddy concert... VERY different crowds. Just as the crowds at a Smashing Pumpkins concert vs. a Slipknot are VERY different. Yes this situation could have been handled better both by the promoter and probably by JSO also. Also if the age range of 13 - 20's is accurate... what is a 13 year old child doing at a concert unsupervised? Much less, as a promoter, I wouldn't let anyone under 18 in to ANY concert anyway. As a side note, I never have and never will attend a Cool Runnings event, maybe because I'm smart. I'd also venture to say that if you went to one of their events I'm almost positive the crowd isn't totally a Black crowd.

[Ernest Street]

This thread wasn't bashing Hip-Hop...just Ignorant Promoters.The MAIN question here was why this whole chaos was ignored by almost every news outlet. Metro Jacksonville stuck it's neck out and showed us why this is the way to get our news.

[comncense]

While I'm surprised that this didn't make any of the media's news, I don't depend, or even believe for the matter, all the news that the media prints out or puts across the airwaves. I know how the media outlets are selective with what gets reported and what doesn't get reported, for whatever reason that may be.

[downtownparks]

I agree, Ernest St, that its great that we can find stories that aren't on the MSM radar. However, I do think some caution needs to be applied to what someone earlier called breathless reporting. Word of mouth reporting is potentially dangerous in as much as, it can lead to a great deal of misinformation. A large scale version of this was after the anthrax attacks just after 9/11. People rushing out and buying duct tape and trash bags based on nothing more than speculation and rumor.

In this case, the potential for chaos was far less, but at the end of the day the shooting, tazering, and tear gas reports have yet to be verified, yet I bet many people are running with it as  the gospel truth. This is the danger of citizen reporting. Not everybody has the ability to process what they are seeing with the same clarity, and rumor-mill has a tendency to run amok in these types of situations.

[Driven1]

there is another term for "breathless reporting".

In this case, the potential for chaos was far less, but at the end of the day the shooting, tazering, and tear gas reports have yet to be verified

lol.

[Driven1]

While I'm surprised that this didn't make any of the media's news, I don't depend, or even believe for the matter, all the news that the media prints out or puts across the airwaves. I know how the media outlets are selective with what gets reported and what doesn't get reported, for whatever reason that may be.

as you may already be learning, it might pay handsome dividends to apply that same judicious lense of belief to what you read on these threads as well.