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Author Topic: What if Jacksonville suddenly woke up?  (Read 11262 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2008, 12:21:06 PM »

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I wish the rest of the city could read this stuff because, agree or disagree, it gets people talking and that's almost always a good thing.   

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2008, 12:59:46 PM »

Quality article SD. For all the talk of liking and disliking Jacksonville, more people need to step up and show the pride they have for the city.  As a life-long resident and self-proclaimed "ambassador" for the city, it's important that every single one of us take responsibility to transform the city into the exceptional place we all know it has the potential to be...instead of bitching about all the things that hold us back. It will be a fine day when the participants of this website and other young inspired voices take the next step to hold City Council seats and realize these dreams.

Thanks xian!  Its from the heart.

Lake or Ock. what was the connection with the Negroe Baseball League?
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2008, 01:32:36 PM »




Jacksonville's Negro League baseball team was known as the Jacksonville Redcaps before relocating to Cleveland in 1939.  A large segment of Jacksonville's early African-American population worked with the railroads.  Many black men worked as "RedCaps" or "Porters" (men who helped passengers with their baggage and supplies).  Randolph organized the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters

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Randolph had some experience in labor organization, having organized a union of elevator operators in New York City in 1917. He was a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc. In 1925, Randolph organized the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters. This was the first serious effort to form a labor institution for the employees of the Pullman Company, which was a major employer of African-Americans. With amendments to the Railway Labor Act in 1934, porters were granted rights under federal law, and membership in the Brotherhood jumped to more than 7,000. After years of bitter struggle, the Pullman Company finally began to negotiate with the Brotherhood in 1935, and agreed to a contract with them in 1937, winning $2,000,000 in pay increases for employees, a shorter workweek, and overtime pay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Philip_Randolph

There's also a movie called 10,000 Black Men Named George about the Brotherhood, that comes on TV from time to time.

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Philip Randolph brought the gospel of trade unionism to millions of African American households. Randolph led a 10-year drive to organize the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters (BSCP) and served as the organization's first president. Randolph directed the March on Washington movement to end employment discrimination in the defense industry and a national civil disobedience campaign to ban segregation in the armed forces. The nonviolent protest and mass action effort inspired the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s.

Asa Philip Randolph was born April 15, 1889, in Crescent City, Fla., the second son of the Rev. James William Randolph, a tailor and ordained minister in the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church, and Elizabeth Robinson Randolph, a skilled seamstress. In 1891, the family moved to Jacksonville, which had a thriving, well-established African American community. From his father, Randolph learned that color was less important than a person's character and conduct. From his mother, he learned the importance of education and of defending oneself physically, if necessary. Randolph remembered vividly the night his mother sat in the front room of their house with a loaded shotgun across her lap, while his father tucked a pistol under his coat and went off to prevent a mob from lynching a man in the local county jail.

Asa and his brother, James, were superior students. The Randolph brothers attended the Cookman Institute in East Jacksonville, for years the only academic high school for African Americans in Florida. Asa excelled in literature, drama and public speaking; starred on the school's baseball team; sang solos with its choir; and was valedictorian of the 1907 graduating class.

After graduation, Randolph worked odd jobs and devoted his time to singing, acting and reading. W.E.B. Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk convinced him that the fight for social equality was more important than almost anything else. He moved to New York City in 1911 to become an actor but gave up after failing to win his parents' approval.
Columbia University student Chandler Owen shared Randolph's intellectual interests and became his close collaborators.

In 1914, Randolph courted and married Mrs. Lucille E. Green, a widow, Howard University graduate and entrepreneur who shared his socialist politics and earned enough money to support them both. The couple had no children.

Randolph joined the Socialist Party and began to harangue the crowds at Harlem's soapbox corner (135th Street and Lenox Avenue) about socialism and the importance of militant class-consciousness. In January 1917, William White, president of the Headwaiters and Sidewaiters Society of Greater New York, asked them to edit a monthly magazine for the society, Hotel Messenger. Randolph and Owen dropped "Hotel" from the masthead and in November 1917 published the first issue of the Messenger, which soon became known as "one of the most brilliantly edited magazines in the history of American Negro journalism."

Their magazine provided an outlet for those who, like Randolph and Owen, were opposed to both the cautious elitism of the NAACP and the utopian populism of Marcus Garvey's United Negro Improvement Association. By now established figures in the Socialist Party in New York, Randolph and Owen embarked on a nationwide anti-war speaking tour in 1918 that brought them to the attention of the U.S. Department of Justice and almost got them arrested.

In June 1925, a group of Pullman porters, the all-black service staff of the Pullman sleeping cars, approached Randolph and asked him to lead their new organization, the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters. Randolph agreed. Besides his abiding interest in and knowledge of unions, Randolph's primary qualification for the job was his reputation for incorruptibility and the fact that he was not a Pullman Company employee—meaning the company could not fire him or buy him off. For the next 10 years, Randolph led an arduous campaign to organize the Pullman porters, which resulted in the certification of the BSCP as the exclusive collective bargaining agent of the Pullman porters in 1935. Randolph called it the "first victory of Negro workers over a great industrial corporation."

Randolph became the most widely known spokesperson for black working-class interests in the country. In December 1940, with President Franklin Roosevelt refusing to issue an executive order banning discrimination against black workers in the defense industry, Randolph called for "10,000 loyal Negro American citizens" to march on Washington, D.C. Support grew so quickly that soon he was calling for 100,000 marchers to converge on the capital. Pressed to take action, President Roosevelt issued an executive order on June 25, 1941, six days before the march was to occur, declaring "there shall be no discrimination in the employment of workers in defense industries or government because of race, creed, color, or national origin." Roosevelt also set up the Fair Employment Practices Commission to oversee the order.

Six years later, after the passage of the Selective Service Act of 1947, Randolph demanded that the government integrate the armed forces. He founded the League for Nonviolent Civil Disobedience Against Military Segregation and urged young men, both black and white, to "refuse to cooperate with a Jim Crow conscription service." Threatened with widespread civil disobedience and needing the black vote in his 1948 re-election campaign, President Harry Truman on July 26, 1948, ordered an end to military discrimination "as quickly as possible."

The March on Washington movement and Randolph's call for civil disobedience to end segregation in the armed forces helped convince the next generation of civil rights activists that nonviolent protests and mass demonstrations were the best way to mobilize public pressure. Randolph was, in this sense, the true "father of the civil rights movement" in the United States. The movement recognized his role by naming him the chair of the 1963 March on Washington, at which Martin Luther King Jr. gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, and by heeding his advice to cooperate in keeping the march nonviolent.
Randolph was elected a vice president of the newly merged AFL-CIO in 1955. He used his position to push for desegregation and respect for civil rights inside the labor movement as well as outside. He was one of the founders of the Negro American Labor Council and served as its president from 1960 to 1966. In 1964 he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Lyndon Johnson.

Retiring as president of the BSCP in 1968, Randolph was named the president of the recently formed A. Philip Randolph Institute, established to promote trade unionism in the black community. He continued to serve on the AFL-CIO Executive Council until 1974. He died in New York City on May 16, 1979.

www.aflcio.org/aboutus/history/history/randolph.cfm
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2008, 01:38:15 PM »

Btw, the Cookman Institute (where many of Jacksonville's early black students attended school) would later merge with another school to become Bethune Cookman College (now Bethune Cookman University) in Daytona Beach.



So the recent FSU Medical School we lost out on when they picked Daytona instead, is not the first school to do so.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2008, 02:01:02 PM »

tufsu!  read the whole article instead of just the blurb.


I did Stephen...and its very interesting....but blanket statements at the beginning turn some people off....and then they stop reading!
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 02:02:00 PM »

tufsu!  read the whole article instead of just the blurb.


I did Stephen...and its very interesting....but blanket statements at the beginning turn some people off....and then they stop reading!

I find this very true, and thanks for the compliment.

I don't retreat from the statement though.  As a seventh generation native, It seems to me that the city must hate itself NOT to celebrate its past and its achievements past and present.

Wayne Wood's books and their popularity, I think are a great step in the right direction.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 03:12:47 PM »

I did not know that Jacksonville was a city that "hated" itsellf...

This is very odd to me, because most of the people I talk to who live here seem to think its a pretty nice place!

Do any of these people live in urban areas or do they all live in the suburbs...St. John's county perhaps?  Jacksonville will always appear to be a "nice place" when you shut yourself out from the reality of what it is and what it has the potential to become (good and bad). 

Some people live in the suburbs...others in established neighborhoods like Riverside and Springfield....I, for one, live downtown....and, yes, I agree there is much potential that has often been squandered....but its still a pretty nice place to live!

If you don't like it, you can always move!

I am moving...to TX.  Hopefully, when I come back to visit friends, I'll see Jacksonville making changes for the better instead of watching it continue to disenegrate around me.
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 04:20:20 PM »

Are passages which include filthy language really necessary?

I know you hate Craig van Horne but this is really overboard:

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Ray Mason would have an Institute where international finance and Arabic trade principles were taught, studied and debated. People would know who Raymond Mason was, and have no fucking clue who Craig Van Horn was.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008, 04:34:51 PM »

Are passages which include filthy language really necessary?

I know you hate Craig van Horne but this is really overboard:

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Ray Mason would have an Institute where international finance and Arabic trade principles were taught, studied and debated. People would know who Raymond Mason was, and have no fucking clue who Craig Van Horn was.

River.  Stop being such a prissy old woman.

Im an adult, This isnt a childrens novel and I actually don't appreciate your remonstrances.

You make it into a much bigger deal than it is when you do this.

I can see taking offense at 'bad' words when they are directed AT someone, but this essay was actually written two years ago and not really directed at anyone.

Ray Mason should be a household name. I think that we spend way too much time on vulgar real estate developers, not limited to the present example and pay no attention to the really important lasting contributions of the sons and daughters of this city.

Mason was the architect of modern business relations between the Arabs and the West.  His contribution literally cannot be overestimated, yet NO ONE knows a damn thing about him.
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2008, 04:46:15 PM »

I don't think Jacksonville is a city that hates itself, but I do think it is a city that is being held back by short sighted people and leaders now and in the past that have been in power, and Jax just has not realized it's full unlimited potential.

Jax, up until about 1960 was the City that could rather than the City that couldn't after 1960 and beyond.  Florida cities emulated Jax up until about that point; now it is the opposite, Jax doesn't have an identity or know its identity so it looks to other cities within Florida and around the nation to emulate.  We need to find out our own identity and realize our own self worth and who we are.

Until that happens, Jax will flounder, be uncertain and unsure of itself, thus holding its full potential back or even snuffing it out.

My opinion.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 04:53:01 PM »

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I do think it is a city that is being held back by short sighted people and leaders now and in the past that have been in power

Exactly!

Just curious...would starting a petition to get a maritime museum, an aquarium etc. etc. do any good if enough people were interested?
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2008, 05:13:46 PM »

One of the Mayors Administrators just called with a very touching acknowledgement of todays article.

They noticed and forwarded the essay to others in the administration and thanked us for leaving an inspirational guide of things to think about on the holiday weekend.

This town has good people in it, and not all of them are dead yet.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 05:18:50 PM »

One thing I really notice about Jacksonville is that there is a strong core of people who really care about it's development and community. You don't see that in big metro areas, and that's really something.
There is a stronger identity of "we" here than in other areas and that's a huge plus.
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2008, 06:51:54 PM »

I am neither prissy, old nor a woman.  However, do you think that foul language (1) enhances your message and its general appeal or (2) takes away from it and causes many people to stop reading it and/or discount many of the valid points contained in it?  Just something to consider if you want to be taken seriously and make a difference.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2008, 07:53:27 PM »

Stephen - congratulations on a beautiful piece of work.  The scope of the article is epic and the information you provide could fill volumes, if followed up on – and it should be!  Great thought provoking article.  Now let’s see what kind of action it produces.

As a transplanted northerner (and from that modern day Gomorrah, New York City, to boot!) as well as one of those dreaded Orange Park-to-Downtown commuters, I think this town has incredible potential, so much so that I don't think most people can even begin to grasp the possibilities (most participants in this site excepted, of course).  And I am not even a little interested in moving back, but I can understand a native's  reaction to what he/she hears so often.

You want identity – look to your river; you want character, look to the incredible history of this place (the music, the artists, the personalities, the commerce (maritime and overland).  The frustration really comes from seeing how close this town is to being great, a true regional leader, and how often it is ruthlessly used by shameless and callow men for their own immediate gain.

I recommend this site to just about everyone I speak to, so keep up the good work.  And I believe the word is spreading and people are "waking up".  Witness: the effect you are having on the JTA and the very real possibility of commuter and light rail transit here in Jacksonville.  This wouldn’t even be on the table for discussion if the powers that be had been left to their own devices.  This was the result, at least in part, of the work you all do at this site.  Thanks, for this article and everything else.
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