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Author Topic: 30 Days of Plight. Stephen Dare goes JTA every day.  (Read 10551 times)
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« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2008, 03:11:59 PM »

well off to the downtown again.   Then on to Riverside.
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« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2008, 05:36:09 PM »

Yeah, but those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

And you could prove the rule even more by citing more exceptions!

Just so you know, I am not responding to this post to avoid moving this thread off topic.
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« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2008, 09:17:53 PM »

Stephen, your thread might be made more useful to lending a hand to JTA and the City with more detail on route, equipment, schedule, loads etc. Some short notation would do, IE:

Boarded at SW corner of Hendricks and Atlantic...
Bus XXXX
one of the new Gillig coaches *name usually on the front, or inside, otherwise the driver can give details.
4 other passengers
8:17 pm
Eastbound
Observed: No seat, no shelter, no map, no schdedule, considerable complaining from group.
In passing Observed: Exceptional busy stop in the mud at XXX and XXX again no shelter, 3rd time this stop has been packed.

Narration

Boarded Bus XX
Corner of 3rd and Atlantic in Neptune Beach
7:am
Westbound
very crowded condition, semi professional crowd
Older Flexible Coach, windows rattled badly, poor seating

Narration

Just an idea, but as a Transit guy, this info would be damn valuable. Short sweet and detailed as hell.

Keep up the great work.


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« Reply #93 on: July 04, 2008, 11:51:56 AM »

Gotta love those Unlimited cards!!!! Stephan the San Marco Station & Central Station has some cool points of interest. If want a LAME STATION go to Jefferson Station errrr Ghosttown Station!!! Man they can't even pave the lots. I agree and have been saying this for 6 months. THE SKYWAY NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED TO SAN MARCO SQUARE & Near 5 points.........
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« Reply #94 on: July 05, 2008, 11:53:45 AM »

Day Four

Ok.  Friday July 4th, and this has to be the worst day of all for JTA.

Im serious.  Every possible bone headed or inconvenient thing that the unimitated transit authority does that is guaranteed to make sure that no one except the most desperate or whimsical people will ride the damned transit authority was in full force with spotlights on today.

First thing. 

Unannounced, the entire damned Skyway System was shuttered and closed down.  No signs, no notice, no nothing.  You just walk up to the gates of the stations and surmise for yourself that they bloody operation is nixed for the day.

First off, this is bloody stupid.   Th Skyway, if it does ANYTHING, at least services the river line on the Southbank of the St. Johns and commands a brilliant view of the River.   There were thousands and thousands of southbank people who would have found this service invaluable yesterday and last night.

Closing the skyway was such a stupid idea, I don't think there is a word in english that adequately explores the depths of stupid embodied by this one incredibly mindless prank.

Additionally,  the JTA chooses six holidays in order to run what they call "Sunday Service"  which means, "Public transit?....meh."  Routes run once every one or two hours and the whole clown show  takes off its oversized shoes and stinks up the place before 11pm.

Way to go, JTA.  Make yourself as useless as possible on one of the few days of the year that the public might give you a chance to show you arent completely without merit.

Why, in the name of God, would a transit authority all but cancel its basic services on a day when half of the city is travelling to the beach for a bit of late night fun, and the other half is making its way to the Downtown in pursuit of the same thing?

Why would it actually close down its skyway services in the ONE area of town GUARANTEED to need thousands of parking spaces and a little transit to the riverwalk?

Sheer, mindless, blistering stupidity.

So.  Skyway?  closed.  Trolleys?  off.   Buses? half service and geritol class closing hours.

No wonder the downtown is so bloody dead on Sundays.

So, after walking an additional mile to the central station (since all bets and assumptions about service are apparently off on sunday schedule and the little flea circus doesnt even staff its otherwise indispensable customer service line (630-3100))  I found a new thing that the uninformed public has to keep firmly in mind if one doesnt want to take the low road to shanghai with JTA.

Within the regular bus service the JTA has two seperate kinds of lines.

Lines based on the sides of town, Like Southside (SS), Westside (WS), the Beaches and Arlington (BH and AR) and the Northside. (NS)

Easy enough, right?

Then there are cross connecting lines.  These are the lines that connect say, the westside with the northside, like "L-8" or the southside with the northwest quadrant, like say, "B-7"  (a line we have already become acquainted with in earlier posts)

Still simple right?

Easy enough to understand.  One would think.  Just go to the station and hop onto the busline with your route and off you go.

Now what would be the one way that a sabotuer could completely f*#% that up, add an unsuspected layer of complexity that would confuse and enrage customers over the ensuing mixups?

Stumped?

Get a load of this stellar idea.

All the 'regular' buses have a fixed "Stop" at the central station.  Every time you want to catch BH 1 (the excellent beaches route), you go to the same bay at the station.  It takes you to your destination.   Same with SS-3, WS-4 or any other of the busses that are based on a side of town.

HOWEVER

Cross over lines have a hitherto unsuspected TWO different stops at the Station.

Depending on where you catch the bus, you will end up in VERY different locations.

Take for example, B-7.  Which we should remember is already running at half the service hours and closes early on the nefarious "sunday schedule"

If one catches the B-7 on the west side of the station, one goes to San Marco and then onto Baymeadows.

If, for example, one naturally caught the selfsame bus at the same 'bay' where one has been dropped off on 6 prior occasions, one would end up on the extreme northwest corner of Jacksonville, gazing westward to Los Angeles and points unknown.

There is nothing resembling a users guide that alerts one to this vitally important information at the station.  Apparently one is expected to learn by experience.  A trial by fire, a coming of age story of sorts.  An asinine initiation designed to scare away the mild of manner and delicate of timeliness.

This is exactly what your humble servant has now passed through.

I feel like I have crossed the equator in the US Navy now for the first time.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony,  The rest of you pollywogs will get yours soon enough.

Since of course, every bus drives endlessly around downtown in various directions before launching on its actual voyage, it is impossible for a neophyte to ascertain the mistake until its well and jolly too late to correct it.

So I found myself at worlds end on Commonwealth rather than at Uncommon Grounds (free wifi, drinkable unburnt coffee, awesome local entreprenuer).

The driver who shall remain nameless (and i suspect faceless in as yet undreamt nightmares)  then launched on a thirty minute monologue regarding the obvious colorcoding of the various stops and the innate stupidity of not having a priori knowledge of their significance.

While I appreciated the wildly detailed nature of his explanations, the inherent blame that was the gist of his schooling was enthusiastically NOT appreciated.

As though sent by a personal diety to pay my ass back for undiscovered sins, the busdriver then launched into an unprovoked diatribe against the very idea that one day, Rail might replace the utter confused bedlam of the 'sunday schedule'.

The screed lasted all through the northwest quadrant, passed into the heart of downtown and finally ended on the steps of San Marco.

One thing though.  The northwest quadrant is a very naturally beautiful side of town.  So many majestic oaks that it reminds one of the better days of Mandarin.

Color me unimpressed with "Sunday Service".   It now sounds like an especially dirty trick practiced in one of the more vicious order of bordellos.

JTA.  seriously.  WTF are you people thinking.
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« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2008, 03:55:00 PM »

This is obviously a sham system that is specifically tailored to only attract poor people as customers. the JTA knows that their riders have zero political clout, so they can run as shabby a system as they want to, because the customers have no way to complain.

It's not really a transit system, it is just a cardboard front that appears to be a transit system. it's real purpose is to supply great paying jobs to the top executives at JTA and provide the Mayor an "Authority" structure to manipulate funds.

It's really not about transit at all, it's all about money. Unfortunately, turning the JTA into a real transit system would be at cross purposes with it's present actual mission. The transformation of The JTA into a "real" urban transit system would require hiring people who are actually qualified it that field, and spending money on real tangible improvements. Doing this would drain off all of that invisible money that now just falls into a black hole and disappears.

So, this transformation is unlikely to occur, because things are just too good for too many JTA execs right now.

I have raised this issue before, but apparently no one is able to understand: the people who run JTA have ZERO qualifications (except working for JTA) in the field of mass transit (I guess that's JTA OJT). That might be part of the problem.

Compare the JTA to ANY urban mass transit system, and it comes out as just plain silly.
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« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2008, 03:57:48 PM »

What happened to Mike from JTA? I'd like to hear his take on Midway's good points and Stephen's latest experience over the holiday.
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« Reply #97 on: July 05, 2008, 04:21:26 PM »

Blaylock only wants to speak to issues involving validity of July busspasses in June.

From the JTA website:

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Blaylock's professional credentials include: Vice chairman of the Strategic Planning Advisory Committee for the Florida Department of Transportation; Member of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America; former president of the Florida Public Transportation Association (FPTA-'96) and graduate of Leadership Jacksonville and Leadership Florida. His community involvement includes: Jacksonville Super Bowl 2005 Host Committee Member; President of the Jacksonville Chapter of the Conference of Minority Transportation Officials (COMTO); Board member of the Regional Chamber of Commerce; Board member of the Jacksonville Urban League; Advisory Board member of the Center for Urban Transportation Research (CUTR) and Board of Trustee member for Bethel Baptist Institutional Church.

A native of Jacksonville, Michael and his wife, Patricia, have three sons and one daughter. He received his Bachelors Degree in Public Administration with a minor in business from the University of North Florida. He continued his graduate studies at the University of North Florida as well as professional development training at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee.

While no disrespect is intended, these are not the credentials of someone who should be leading a mass transit system in a major city.

Compare this to NYC, San Diego, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Boston, Moscow, Tokyo, ANYWHERE. The only parity you will find is probably the payrate.  I'm sure he's a real good guy. Just like Brad Thoburn.
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« Reply #98 on: July 05, 2008, 04:36:00 PM »

The whole system needs an overhaul or a buyout (worth 3 billion?) - will gas still on the rise ($4.13 last I looked) and mass transit looking better and better...who knows?
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« Reply #99 on: July 05, 2008, 10:40:23 PM »

It does seem as though the entire system is truly designed for the poorest percentage of our population and NO ONE ELSE.
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« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2008, 11:22:10 PM »

In defense of JTA, this "Authority" is a product of our own making. Frankly, the old south lives on in transit throughout Dixie. It is only recently with MARTA (ATLANTA), DART (DALLAS), HART (TAMPA), etc... that this old model is being broken down. Charlotte, for example is making great strides, is is Houston, Norfolk, Little Rock, Memphis and New Orleans. But it all started with ATLANTA and MIAMI back in the 1960-70 era. We have been extremely slow to pick up on ANYTHING new, NOTHING! Don't tell us how it's done, go away with your ideas, and if your a Yuppie or Modernist/Urban dweller - BE DAMNED! Into this world JTA was born. Don't expect Puppies from a mated pair of Jackasses.

In defense of Blaylock, frankly, his resume and mine wouldn't look all that different. I would have a lead in jobs and companies/Cities/Country's worked for... He would lead in associations. This alone won't make or break a big city planner. Many of the most radical plans came from those with no formal education at all in the 1960-70's. A time when they worked their way up from Bus Porter, to driver, to supervisor, to front office. It was the very "HANDS ON" experience that made that generation of Transit Leadership so rich. It should be recalled that a MA or PHD proves that a man or woman can study. Leadership is often born in far away deserts, or rice Paddy's, where high school boys and young college men make split life and death decisions. Many times those very decisions are transportation related. The proof is in the bottle, lots of fizz and no kick = low performance.

Finally, the board of directors and our JTA planners are where the rubber meets the road. The directors are picked for political reasons, favors, and "title". Few if any are Transit people. We would do better to rule by committee, have citizen input and allow the planners to review and refine before a City Council rubber stamps it. Lead on Stephendare, Good luck... Take names, notes and we'll kick some butt!


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« Reply #101 on: July 05, 2008, 11:26:20 PM »

Damn it! She did it to me again, that message above should be from Ocklawaha. My daughter logged in over my login.

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« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2008, 12:34:15 PM »

Thanks Ock!

Was seriously put out by this 'sunday special'.

Its useless.  Ornamental.

Hopefully monday will be better.

Today is sunday and I will be checking out the southside routes some more.
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« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2008, 01:00:14 PM »

Thanks Ock!

Was seriously put out by this 'sunday special'.

Its useless.  Ornamental.

Hopefully monday will be better.

Today is sunday and I will be checking out the southside routes some more.
Even ornaments are supposed to help something look better... this is worse than ornamental...
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« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2008, 03:21:25 PM »

Ocklawaha, I don't think that PhD's matter here. And I also don't think association memberships matter here.

What matters is experience, creativity and a willingness to look at other innovative solutions. Also, some interest in urban transit to add a dash of enthusiasm might help.

Blaylock just looks like a garden variety beancounter/administrator based upon the materials on the JTA website.

Any transit specific skills look like they were picked up as an unavoidable liability of working at JTA and not as a result of any enthusiasm for the process or technology.

The essential difference between his resume and yours is that yours bespeaks exposure to types of solutions other than highway based transit.  JTA appears to be a road building enterprise.  Maybe they should be renamed the Jacksonville Expressway Authority, then JAX could start anew with an urban (mass) transit authority that would look at those issues?
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