Lighting Laura Lives

[Metro Jacksonville]

Lighting Laura Lives



It has been over two years since Metro Jacksonville first presented the Lighting Laura Street Plan to the Downtown Action Plan Committee, chaired by former councilwoman Suzanne Jenkins.  Despite the lack of updates, the movement to improve Laura Street between the Landing and Hemming Plaza has been embraced and is included in the JEDC's 19 point Downtown Action Plan.

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[jeh1980]

ALRIGHT!!! I really like to see that come to pass! Now all we can do now is to stop all that murmuring and complaining about why we don't have any urban connectivity!

[jeh1980]

I got a real cool idea! Let's talk to those planners about restoring that electronic clock on top of the old Barnett Bank building! WE NEED THAT!!!

[Charles Hunter]

Very cool!  This will be a great improvement to the corridor, and thus downtown.


Is it just me, or are those renderings hard to read?  A combination of size (I can't get them big enough) and fancy font in the labels.  Got pdfs?

[thelakelander]

ALRIGHT!!! I really like to see that come to pass! Now all we can do now is to stop all that murmuring and complaining about why we don't have any urban connectivity!

lol.  Let's take off the rose colored glasses.  By this assessment, everyone should have stopped worrying when all of these plans with pretty renderings were announced over the past 37 years:

River City Renaissance - LaVilla-Brooklyn Redevelopment Plan


Northbank Riverwalk Park - 1991


Friendship Park & Fountain-1985


Downtown Intial Action Plan - 1987


Downtown Master Plan - 1971




I could also toss in the Tri-Legacy's Shipyards, Riverwalk Hotel LLC's San Marco Riverwalk Village and the Atkins Group's Ocean Place.




How about the rotating roof top restaurant in JEA's current tower or Syed S. Hassain's redevelopment plans for the Old JEA Tower?




I want to see Laura Street and Downtown find a way to be just as vibrant as they were fifty years ago, but everything revolves around "connectivity" and we still don't fully understand the concept.  If this were the case, you would see more foot traffic, based on what we already have downtown right now.

[stephendare]

ALRIGHT!!! I really like to see that come to pass! Now all we can do now is to stop all that murmuring and complaining about why we don't have any urban connectivity!

couldnt we do that best by restoring it?

[thelakelander]

Stephen, assuming you have a limited budget, how would you go about restoring connectivity?  What areas would you focus on first and why?

[zoo]

Connectivity is the critical element, but we are also missing drama. I'm not a traffic planner, but I really like the traffic circle idea they've shown in front of the Landing. I don't know if this is the best place for it, but it would be a better locale for the Andrew Jackson/horse bronze that is now buried on NW corner of Landing property. Could be dramatic, but location ensures it isn't.

Don't particularly care for the archway signage idea over Laura. With one at/planned for Hemming Plaza, this could get very overdone.

Plan looks to show a lot of shade trees. This is good idea, as long as they are "neat" trees that don't drop a bunch of leaves, seeds, branches, other stuff that requires clean up. Clean-up maintenance is not one of Jax's areas of strength. Seems to me incorporation of strategically placed misting stations would also help make walkability more comfortable during warmer times of year.

[stephendare]

Restoring connectivity at this point would be mostly possible between the springfield/durkeeville downtown areas since lavilla, brooklyn, fairfield and the east side have been mostly torn down.

Making Main Pearl Davis Laura and Hogan into two way streets would be a huge first step.

Creating visual connectivity to the streets could be cheaply accomplished by using the street intersections and lights as entrance markets to the two areas.

Hogan could easily be restored as a path primarily for boards, bikes and scooters simply by opening up a path through FCCJ, (which is as easy as moving a fence and 8 big bushes and installing lighting) and continuing an alternate transit path along hogan underneath the skyway tracks along the very wide and mostly underused brick pavers

The one way traffic on main street is the most asinine bullshit for connectivity that exists.  Restore the whole damned things as a two way to connect springfield easily with San Marco and watch the sudden transit between the two neighborhoods.

Along ocean street, where it stops suddenly at confederate park, create a new entrance or public art display, that is well lit and visible from state street welcoming people to the springfield park system with an adequate sight finders map for people to stop at. (there are sights in springfield after all, the karpeles, the parks, the barnett mansion, the masonic lodge, klutho's home, the womens club, the sinking castle etc.

and create Laura Street as the leading pedestrian thoroughfare by developing the park system, installing lighting etc

[thelakelander]

Connectivity is the critical element, but we are also missing drama. I'm not a traffic planner, but I really like the traffic circle idea they've shown in front of the Landing. I don't know if this is the best place for it, but it would be a better locale for the Andrew Jackson/horse bronze that is now buried on NW corner of Landing property. Could be dramatic, but location ensures it isn't.

Don't particularly care for the archway signage idea over Laura. With one at/planned for Hemming Plaza, this could get very overdone.

Plan looks to show a lot of shade trees. This is good idea, as long as they are "neat" trees that don't drop a bunch of leaves, seeds, branches, other stuff that requires clean up. Clean-up maintenance is not one of Jax's areas of strength. Seems to me incorporation of strategically placed misting stations would also help make walkability more comfortable during warmer times of year.

I'm one of those people who does not believe in throwing a lot of money at something if its not absolutely necessary.  With that said, the circle, the brick gateways and the wayfinding kiosk (as sketched) may be a little overboard.  However, I do love the idea of moving the Jackson statue to that location and making it a visual focal point.

I also like the idea of at-grade tree grates.  This increases the usable width of the sidewalks without having to completely rip all of the existing concrete out and replacing it (which would be another excessive expense in my book).

One thing I don't care for is taking out the parallel parking spaces on the block between Bay Street and Independent Drive.  Laura Street is wide enough to accomodate two lanes of traffic and sidewalks/parallel parking on both sides of the street. 

Overall, I hope we can resist the desire to go overboard, which in turn increases the costs and difficulty in pulling off improvements and can eventually lead to a delay in doing anything.  My advice would be to stick with the basics, even if it means phasing (cheap affordable items first, big ticket items somewhere down the road).  Things like removing the planters, enhanced lighting, encouraging retailers/diners to embrace the sidewalks and better signage are more more important and cheaper to the concept of connectivity than big expenses like brick and iron gateways, rebuilding sidwalks or creating traffic circles.

[stephendare]

The Brick Paver obsession is kindof over the top.  It should be the last thing implemented imo.

A seperation between the street and the sidewalk of some kind, even if it is in the form of decorative posts which can be used to string chain across would go a long way to encouraging sidewalk dining.

[thelakelander]

Although that's cheaper than bricking sidewalks, we don't even have to go that far, unless someone is shooting for a certain theme.  On streets like Laura, you already have separation in the form of parallel parking.  Removing the planters gives the sidewalk some extra width, which could then be used for a good range of activities, without providing posts or fencing on the city's dime.

[JeffreyS]

Instead of brick pavers you could stain borders in the concrete for next to nothing in one afternoon.

[Jason]

Connectivity is the critical element, but we are also missing drama. I'm not a traffic planner, but I really like the traffic circle idea they've shown in front of the Landing. I don't know if this is the best place for it, but it would be a better locale for the Andrew Jackson/horse bronze that is now buried on NW corner of Landing property. Could be dramatic, but location ensures it isn't.

Don't particularly care for the archway signage idea over Laura. With one at/planned for Hemming Plaza, this could get very overdone.

Plan looks to show a lot of shade trees. This is good idea, as long as they are "neat" trees that don't drop a bunch of leaves, seeds, branches, other stuff that requires clean up. Clean-up maintenance is not one of Jax's areas of strength. Seems to me incorporation of strategically placed misting stations would also help make walkability more comfortable during warmer times of year.

I'm one of those people who does not believe in throwing a lot of money at something if its not absolutely necessary.  With that said, the circle, the brick gateways and the wayfinding kiosk (as sketched) may be a little overboard.  However, I do love the idea of moving the Jackson statue to that location and making it a visual focal point.

I also like the idea of at-grade tree grates.  This increases the usable width of the sidewalks without having to completely rip all of the existing concrete out and replacing it (which would be another excessive expense in my book).

One thing I don't care for is taking out the parallel parking spaces on the block between Bay Street and Independent Drive.  Laura Street is wide enough to accomodate two lanes of traffic and sidewalks/parallel parking on both sides of the street. 

Overall, I hope we can resist the desire to go overboard, which in turn increases the costs and difficulty in pulling off improvements and can eventually lead to a delay in doing anything.  My advice would be to stick with the basics, even if it means phasing (cheap affordable items first, big ticket items somewhere down the road).  Things like removing the planters, enhanced lighting, encouraging retailers/diners to embrace the sidewalks and better signage are more more important and cheaper to the concept of connectivity than big expenses like brick and iron gateways, rebuilding sidwalks or creating traffic circles.

Honestly, I think the idea should be limited to actually bettering the existing lighting, a few trees and wayfinding signs, but then throw in the coordination between Toney Sleiman and the City to redevlop the Landing and allow it to open up towards the street.  That one item, IMO, it the single largest component of anchoring Laura's south end.

[thelakelander]

An update on Laura Street:

Walking is key step in Downtown Action Plan

...The second of the action steps, “Develop and implement a comprehensive streetscape plan,” continues to produce results with the completion of the Main Street Park project. Improvements along Main Street included converting a parking lot into a public park across from the Main Library. Date palm trees have been added and sidewalks have been resurfaced and enhanced with brick pavers and decorative planters.

The next streetscape project will improve Laura Street from Hemming Plaza to the Landing. The JEDC plans to outline the project by the beginning of July

“This was an easy project to choose because it was one people identified as a key project,” said Barton. “This project will help us prove what a great walkable corridor can be.”

Walkability is one of the keys Barton identified that would set a foundation for a revitalized Downtown.

full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50300