Author Topic: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."  (Read 12434 times)

SunKing

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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2014, 11:28:35 AM »
I am sure Sunkings snarky comment is directed at me. But hey he can have his opinion and I can have mine. I also noted that we do need non elected officials in the city from a supportive role,but at some point some of these people have to step to the plate and become an elected official to affect change in my humble opinion.  How well has it worked for Jax with few of these great non elected officials not actually running for office?  i would say the proof is in our abysmal urban core.
  Suggesting that Halverson's leadership and a garage that his company built for a developer (in this case the City) are somehow connected just doesn't make sense to me.   It is not the company's mission to only do projects that you like.

It certainly has very little impact to the company's bottom line.  Nor does the Southbank Riverwalk for that matter.  Oh btw Peter Rummell is on Steve's board and a pretty big developer as well.  go ahead and bash him while you're at it.  Maybe he will take his influence to another city and One Spark along with it.

My point is that while its common practice to bash our publically elected officials.  That's what they sign up for.  Its better to embrace the private leaders that truly can and want to make a difference.  If you really want change that's who you need to be looking to.

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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2014, 11:46:20 AM »
Well if as you note it was really not a big impact on the bottomline of the company then to me all the more reason not to be involved in it. Stand on principle and simply state as a private leader of downtown development that this really is not a projeject we feel is worthy of promoting a healthy downtown so we would rather not be part of it. And I never said anything negative about the Riverwalk.  I just feel it was a bad decision on their part to be associated with the garage.
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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2014, 11:56:15 AM »
Well if as you note it was really not a big impact on the bottomline of the company then to me all the more reason not to be involved in it. Stand on principle and simply state as a private leader of downtown development that this really is not a projeject we feel is worthy of promoting a healthy downtown so we would rather not be part of it. And I never said anything negative about the Riverwalk.  I just feel it was a bad decision on their part to be associated with the garage.

Halverson/Haskell should have done their best to convince the client to do the garage the right way.  That would be walking the walk.  But if not successful, it is the responsibility of the CITY to require the standards be maintained.   

As far as the 'city officials' vs. the 'business leaders' battle, if the 'business leaders' make urban redevelopment a key requirement for their monetary support, I think you would be surprised how fast the 'city officials' come around.

That is why I have long advocated a 'political arm' for Metro Jacksonville.     
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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2014, 01:36:06 PM »
Yeah, nevermind.  you're probably right.  It's easier to blame a successful, influential, business person with money for not being convincing enough than a politician whose job it is to maintain the standard.

And as for this site being a 'political arm,' politicians will literally run from you as long as you continue to bash the "influence."

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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2014, 02:40:51 PM »
Well if as you note it was really not a big impact on the bottomline of the company then to me all the more reason not to be involved in it. Stand on principle and simply state as a private leader of downtown development that this really is not a projeject we feel is worthy of promoting a healthy downtown so we would rather not be part of it. And I never said anything negative about the Riverwalk.  I just feel it was a bad decision on their part to be associated with the garage.

As much as it pains me to side with you since you gratuitously give me such a hard time, I think you're right here.  The economy is not deep enough or strong enough for much picking and choosing for Jax companies, however, Haskell is likely one of the contenders in the city that is in a position where it can go down a different direction when it so chooses.

It never struck a positive chord with me to have Haskell as the design-build contractor for the garage.  Tilt-wall garages are sort of their bread and butter, so the project makes sense for their business, however, the leadership of that company is hypocritical when it's proud of winning that contract for downtown on that particular site.

I've experienced firsthand too many examples of companies walking their talk or turning down projects that they felt weren't right for the community or tackling projects for half political reasons (FL-based Crescent Heights is very very pro-union, for example, and they try to do union financed and union built projects such as they are doing here in SF right now...that being driven by their executives of course).

Companies are allowed to have political views and ulterior motives driven by feelings of corporate responsibility, etc.  If Haskell's executives repeatedly talk that talk, but never walk that walk, that's basically bullshit.  So yea, no respect for that.
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Re: Haskell CEO - "Jax needs genuine view of future.."
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2014, 03:57:08 PM »
Yeah, nevermind.  you're probably right.  It's easier to blame a successful, influential, business person with money for not being convincing enough than a politician whose job it is to maintain the standard.

And as for this site being a 'political arm,' politicians will literally run from you as long as you continue to bash the "influence."

Undue influence based on special interests, that trump the common interest, is what is criticized on this site.   

The Chamber of Commerce takes public stances on issues and gives endorsements in elections and donates money to the campaigns that support those positions.  That's why they have the power that they do.  The grassroots citizenry is only doing one of those things, and that is why they so often don't win the day.
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