Kirk Sherman, the city auditor himself when asked repeatedly by various council members what the property tax increase would mean for next years budget. He told them the tentative tax increase would just meet the hole in the budget left when the pension deal was voted down. Some of the council members in the discussion were Lee, Crescimbini, Boyer and others. You not trust me to give the facts anymore Stephen? lol You know I watch this stuff like a hawk and believe you me, the mess last night was not easy to follow.