Author Topic: Southside Construction Update - February 2013  (Read 4410 times)


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Re: Southside Construction Update - February 2013
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2013, 11:03:49 AM »

How quickly does fire spread in a wood building vs stone?  What kind of building would I want to live in for the best fire protection?

Most residential buildings that look like they are stone are only stone clad on wood frame. Hence same thing both of your buildings.

It depends upon the design of the building. The stuff they cover up and you don't see. For example a wood building can and does have fire walls and smoke walls dividing the building dividing units. But you'll never know it unless you know what to look for. Then too if they are not properly marked and serviced by a competent trained force the follow on maintenance guy, telephone installer, air conditioning guy, etc has likely compromised the wall system.

Better indicator would be  fire sprinklers in the units.


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Re: Southside Construction Update - February 2013
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2013, 05:40:22 PM »
Can't compare hospitals and corporate office buildings to rentals.  Commercial space has extensive building systems that run horizontally with each floor (12' slab to slab and 9' ceiling heights leaving 3' to fit these crazy building systems/wiring in each floor).  All rentals need are an efficient layout that allows vertical piping to run up and down through unit walls (aka floorplan "stacks" where bathrooms/kitchens are located in the same spot up and down the building).  Construction is totally different.  Residential is about 10' slab to slab with 9-9.5' ceiling heights, so just one of the many differences.

Building systems such as mechanical rooms, elevator lifts, air handlers, chillers, pumps, etc are required for even small commercial buildings, and they go up top.  Heavy stuff that can't be supported on wood framing.  Most of these garden apartments on the SS simply need flooring that will support a bed and the HVACs are the same kinds of units you'll find at houses, and they are located on the ground (on the roofs or even individual balconies in value-engineered mid/highrises...but they are light).  Usually garden apartments don't have elevators...but the ones that do are interesting to see UC as you'll first see a bunch of 4-5 floor stone shafts, and then you'll see the wooden structures built around them.

Here's what I can tell you...we've had shitty stick construction in FL for decades now and very few fires to show for it...and surprisingly the construction has held up in hurricanes, too.  Doesn't mean there haven't been mold issues, however!

Also, besides code, land prices, job centers, demographic trends, etc. in most Sunbelt cities people (even 20 year olds) are used to having so much for so little (in terms of material goods).  This means renter preferences are for interior finishes, space, and amenities.  Cities in the south are desirable because they can give a person these things for less, but the cities themselves usually don't have much more to offer.  Developers must build units that can be rented out at prices not too high for the area, and with the many features desired in these lower income lower COL areas.

In SF all people want is to be able to afford to live in the you get some dumpy shoebox studio for $2 or $3000, but you're never there and you're in the city enjoying what it has to offer.  In Jax, you get paid less so there's no way you can afford too much more than $1000, and the city doesn't offer you much so the apartment damn well better (plus whereas in the big cities young people meet each other out and about more, in less developed cities like Jax, young people either know each other from growing up or they meet in the free gym in the building).

Developers can't build some high quality thing and include granite counters and abundant amenities and free parking, etc and rent them for what the market can you get shitty construction and bad architecture/design in low density suburban areas, but you get your top priority "must-haves" apartment features.

These units aren't just apartments, they are going to be sold as condominiums.  MJ has a dream of creating a high density living environment.  From what your saying, if this dream comes to fruition, it will be built using some of the cheapest construction methods out there.  Is this a good thing?  Sure, there will be complete streets with streetcars and walk in eateries but if these places are built with cheap construction, what will be the end result of this metro experiment?

I understand the reasoning though.  If Floridians won't pay $250/sq ft, then they won't pay.  In a way, that means things aren't equivalent.  In the case of housing, doesn't lower cost of living just means lower building quality?  Doesn't this mean the argument that local politicians and companies make to justify a lower salary by lower cost of living could be disingenuous? 

Yes, I'm going to compare corporate office buildings to residential.  Why are corporate office buildings built to a higher specification then residential?  What do offices do differently that residential construction cannot provide? 
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