Author Topic: Councilman Clark to sponsor new 3-year Mobility Plan fee moratorium legislation  (Read 27657 times)

Debbie Thompson

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They haven't done the research Ock and Lake have.  Ock and Lake, will you be at the council meeting on 2/26 to present these talking points?  These are great examples, and as you said, are projects that could have been done with actual dollars lost during the current moratorium, not even including any grants that may be available.  Think of what could have been done by adding grant money!

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The stellar moment of the Council meeting was made in response to a Bike Jax(?) gentleman who pointed out our terrible bike and pedestrian infrastructure and the fact that we missed out on $3,000,000 worth of improvements that could have been collected in Mobility Fees.

Jacksonville City Councilman Bill Gulliford, with Bill Bishop apparently nodding in approval questioned if we could really do anything with just $3 Million. "$3 Million isn't enough to do any of the infrastructure improvements your talking about, so it really isn't going to make much difference. You'll have to add many times that amount and you are going to have to find it someplace else, in property taxes, license fees, sales tax... Somewhere."

So using that as a baseline here is what could be done with $3 million:
(Several good examples of what $3 mil. can buy snipped...)

Ock, you should really send this post verbatim to the Times-Union, Folio Weekly, Ken Amaro, First Coast News I-Team, etc. 
These yahoos on city council deserve a good old fashioned public shaming (I WAS going to say tar and feathering) for pooh-poohing a "measly" $3 million in potential mobility fees that could be used to really improve the city.
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Re: Councilman Clark Wants Mobility Fee Moratorium
« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2013, 04:41:16 PM »
I think the suburban developers, car dealerships, gas station owners, (such as Payton) auto insurance companies and road builders all have an intrest in the moratorium passing.

They want more people driving because it's good for "their bottom line." They don't care about bicyclists and pedestrians, hell they'd rather not have any public transit or sidewalks at all!

I believe it's because they aren't paying out the hundreds that it costs to have a car. And since drivers pay these auto oriented expenses, they're allowed to hit and kill bicyclists and pedestrians without real fear of any kind on penalty. You hardly ever hear about a driver being charged, coupled with the fact that the state wants to not only do away with red light cameras, but they want to go further and make them illegal! our leaders ought to be charged with reckless endangerment, tossed out of office and even jailed if either measure passes!


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Urbanknight, there is a lot of truth in what you've posted. This is EXACTLY WHY JTA needs to be out of the highway business because in spite of it being the logical thing to do, having highways and mass transit in the same agency is like trying to store vinegar and baking soda in the same bottle. Obviously one side will dominate much to the detriment of the other.

I would however take issue with your statement about the State making the camera's illegal. It can't happen soon enough as far as I'm concerned. The evidence is swiftly mounting that red light cameras have INCREASED accidents everywhere they have been tried, in some locations by astronomical amounts, check this out:


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Reports From The Media

Los Angeles | KCAL TV
A local TV station fact-checked the city's claims that their ticket cameras reduced accidents and found that the opposite was true. At 20 of the 32 intersections studied, accidents increased and several intersections tripled their accident rate.

Washington, D.C. | Washington Post
This report showed an overall increase in accidents at red-light camera intersections of 107 percent.

Portland, Oregon | KATU News
KATU News reviewed city statistics and found a 140 percent increase in rear-end crashes at the intersections where red light cameras were installed.

Fort Collins, Colorado | The Coloradoan
Ft. Collins, Colorado has experienced an 83 percent increase in the number of accidents since red light cameras were installed.

Oceanside, California | North County Times
This report showed a 800 percent increase in rear-end accidents.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Philadelphia Weekly
This article showed an increase of 10 to 21 percent in accidents in intersections with red-light cameras.

Corpus Christi, Texas | TheNewspaper.com
Data released by the city showed that the total number of accidents in Corpus Christi increased 14 percent, from 310 incidents to 353, at nine locations where automated ticketing machines were stationed. Contrary to the claim that red light cameras reduce the severity of collisions, the number of accidents involving injuries increased 28 percent from 140 to 179. Rear end collisions also increased by nearly a third from 160 to 208.

Winnipeg, Ontario | Winnipeg Sun
The average number of collisions at Winnipeg’s 12 original red-light camera intersections has jumped 18% since the devices were installed in 2003, according to Manitoba Public Insurance data obtained by the Winnipeg Sun. Despite claims by politicians and police brass that intersection cameras are making our streets safer by reducing collisions, the MPI data shows after six years of use, crashes at the intersections are actually going up, not down.

SOURCE: National Motorists Association http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/



 

 

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The stellar moment of the Council meeting was made in response to a Bike Jax(?) gentleman who pointed out our terrible bike and pedestrian infrastructure and the fact that we missed out on $3,000,000 worth of improvements that could have been collected in Mobility Fees.

Jacksonville City Councilman Bill Gulliford, with Bill Bishop apparently nodding in approval questioned if we could really do anything with just $3 Million. "$3 Million isn't enough to do any of the infrastructure improvements your talking about, so it really isn't going to make much difference. You'll have to add many times that amount and you are going to have to find it someplace else, in property taxes, license fees, sales tax... Somewhere."

So using that as a baseline here is what could be done with $3 million:
(Several good examples of what $3 mil. can buy snipped...)

Ock, you should really send this post verbatim to the Times-Union, Folio Weekly, Ken Amaro, First Coast News I-Team, etc. 
These yahoos on city council deserve a good old fashioned public shaming (I WAS going to say tar and feathering) for pooh-poohing a "measly" $3 million in potential mobility fees that could be used to really improve the city.

Good idea! Consider it done.

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Additional talking point:  Heard on GMA this morning that gasoline prices are up $.42 in the last month alone.  And that's before the summer driving season.  I haven't been tracking exact prices locally, but I have noticed gas jumping several cents a gallon about once or twice a week in the last month or so.

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Eight weeks ago, the Saturday before Christmas, I paid $2.98 per gallon, now, it's $3.65 and up.

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hearings today and tomorrow  in committee.

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Anyone planning on going to the meetings today and tomorrow?  I don't think I can make today.  Hopefully I will be able to be at Finance tomorrow.
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

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Myself and many area cyclists are planning to attend the Feb 26th meeting. A bunch of us came away from the City Council meeting last week, realizing we totally left out public transit issues, as a few folks have pointed out here-- so yes, some of us will speak and include bus/rail issues as well next week!

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Committee agendas for this week:
 
Here's the times of the meetings.  Rules over, maybe a few could still make today's TEU at 2:00 or tomorrow's finance at 10:00.  That should be a good place to point out what projects we haven't been able to do due to NOT having the mobility fee.

Finance 2/20 at 10:00
 Rules 2/19 at 10
 TEU 2/19 at 2 pm
 
It is tough for most of us to attend meetings during the day -- especially given that today is the 19th! However, if you are able to attend, please go and let us know how Clark's moratorium is moving through committee.

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It wasn't discussed this morning.

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I've been working on some stuff to send to council and the DIA members.  I plan to run a few articles on the mobility fee moratorium this week (possibly tomorrow and Friday) as well.  Here are at least two that I'm nearing completion on:

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What lost mobility fee funds could have paid for

So far the City of Jacksonville has lost $4,683,555 in the form of waived mobility fees since October 2011.  Assuming additional projects already approved for mobility fee waivers move forward, that number balloons to $27.45 million. When compared to +$300 million being invested on the construction of a 15-mile Outer Beltway segment by FDOT, this may seem like peanuts and an insufficient amount of funds to do something grand. 

While this amount of cash may not immediately fund the construction of a streetcar or highway widening, it was more than enough to significantly impact the city's poor bicycle and pedestrian network. Here is a brief look, by mobility zone, at sample projects that could have been funded by dollars already lost from last year's moratorium.

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What the Mobility Fee can do for Downtown Jacksonville
According to the recently released JAX 2025 survey, a better downtown is at the top of the wish list of its 14,016 respondents. However, Councilman Richard Clark's proposed three year moratorium of the mobility fee could stunt the redevelopment of downtown Jacksonville and leave the average taxpayer carrying the financial burden it leaves behind.
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What the Mobility Fee can do for Downtown Jacksonville
According to the recently released JAX 2025 survey, a better downtown is at the top of the wish list of its 14,016 respondents. However, Councilman Richard Clark's proposed three year moratorium of the mobility fee could stunt the redevelopment of downtown Jacksonville and leave the average taxpayer carrying the financial burden it leaves behind.

I pointed this out at the last council meeting.  I went to the bathroom and there, right outside the bathroom in city hall is a JAX 2025 poster.  Imagine It!  Build It! Reach It!

I told the council that the mobility plan is the "Imagine It", and in that, it told us how to build it.  This is why the mayor needs to be on board.  We did a decade of vision studies and built this plan with some of the brightest people, and now the plan is about to be rendered useless (again).  If we can't win this battle, what hope is there for Jax 2025?
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

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Myself and many area cyclists are planning to attend the Feb 26th meeting. A bunch of us came away from the City Council meeting last week, realizing we totally left out public transit issues, as a few folks have pointed out here-- so yes, some of us will speak and include bus/rail issues as well next week!

great to hear Koula!